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Old 03-25-19, 06:34 PM
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All’s right in my little part of the world. Tab washers on and axle snug in their drop outs. The rear has just a little play in the axle when tightened.

The R20 is back on track.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Allís right in my little part of the world. Tab washers on and axle snug in their drop outs. The rear has just a little play in the axle when tightened.

The R20 is back on track.
Good to hear!
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Originally Posted by clubman
Hang on to that crank though. Big Chiefs earlier post seems to show that chainring design.
I love the 22 tooth freewheel! I'd use that on any number of overgeared bikes I own.
That's always the dilemma...
How much time and money to spend?
How many original parts can be saved/restored?
I think in the end I'll have a rideable bike that looks
90 years old.
That freewheel is stuck on real good!
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Thanks for that!
if you make the trip out let me know - I live about 3 blocks away from them. Itís a great place to visit and thereís now a great local brewery less than 100m from the shop.
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if you make the trip out let me know - I live about 3 blocks away from them. Itís a great place to visit and thereís now a great local brewery less than 100m from the shop.
Will do.
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Originally Posted by markk900

if you make the trip out let me know - I live about 3 blocks away from them. Itís a great place to visit and thereís now a great local brewery less than 100m from the shop.
I've got to make that trip someday soon as well! Looks like we should hold a 3 Speed Event or something.
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Originally Posted by browngw
I've got to make that trip someday soon as well! Looks like we should hold a 3 Speed Event or something.
Hey, I'd be up for that. An Ontario member's meet up.Maybe a ride on a stretch of the Guelph to Goderich trail?
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A while ago, somebody here was looking for that .pdf about removing Raleigh fork locks. The link posted is no longer valid. I just found it saved on my hard drive. I don't have a server I can use to post it online, but I can email it to anyone interested or has someplace to post it. It specifically says no copyright anyone can use.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
A while ago, somebody here was looking for that .pdf about removing Raleigh fork locks. The link posted is no longer valid. I just found it saved on my hard drive. I don't have a server I can use to post it online, but I can email it to anyone interested or has someplace to post it. It specifically says no copyright anyone can use.
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That was me. I'll send you my email in a private message.

Thanks! At this point, with everything back together, I'm resigned to a keyless life, but I would like to know the steps should I get the itch to try to take it apart again.

I do wonder, since there are no numbers for the lock on the face, the way it seems to be on others, if I would find a number on the barrel itself.
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The BSA Roadster is now completed, spent all day re-assembling and I have ridden it so all is OK. Still might replace saddle but will use as is while I decide. Also it would be nice to find a replacement reflector for rear mudguard (Fender) as the rubber is in a very bad way. Bike is good now for another 83 years!!!!!!!




Completed Bike







Never saw one of these before, but here is something similar in a 1930s accessories catalogs.

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More Evidence!

Black enamel lined with red and gold....
Red and Gold

Thanks Big Chief!
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Never saw one of these before, but here is something similar in a 1930s accessories catalogs.

Hi Big Chief: The flap on mine is made of Celluloid I think and has a product name on it 'The Leader' and is made by 'B and T Components Ltd' It was on the bike when I purchased it and a bit more yellow than it is now, I polished it with Toothpaste to clean it up and the lettering on it only then became apparent. Also attached a couple of photos showing a couple more parts fitted to bike ie. Captive Key Rear Wheel Bike Lock and Pump Pegs. Only parts left to fit are a couple of Lamp Brackets.



Original Rear Wheel captive Key Bike Lock refitted. Also in this Photo you can see one of the riveted Fender Repairs.



Original Pump Pegs Refitted.



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More Evidence!

Black enamel lined with red and gold....
Red and Gold

Thanks Big Chief!
Now, thanks to this we know that the red pinstripe was outside of the gold. Combined with the catalog images, one could accurately reproduce this finish. I really,really want to buy a Beugler pinstripe tool! Maybe someday you'll find some Westwoods that need pinstripes. That would be a perfect excuse. I'll just explain to my wife that I have to go to Canada to paint some wheels. Sounds good to me.
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BMX tires... oh well. This model rolls on 451 rims.


Hope the B-17 will do for upright sitting.


I will be installing a larger rack from W. Germany. If I use small panniers, heel strike might not be a problem.
1979 Canadian Raleigh Twenty folder. Finished except for a good long ride and sort out the fit. Did a short neighborhood roll. I like it. I will like it better if I change the 15 in the back for an 18.
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Roadster Handling:

I'm sure the handling is something I'll get used to, but I thought I would ask this question before I get used to it. I guess the question is - Is this typical of a roadster, or could something be out of line with my bike. I feel that it is probably typical, because the bike looks fine.

The thing I notice is that I am find myself at times sort of fighting the steering. I think it might probably be partly the very narrow handlebars. The bike seems to want to track straight, but at times it also seems to want to steer itself one way or another, particularly on a rough road. I'm more aware of a feeling of having a gyroscope between my hands, and some ordinary motions of the bike affect the steering the same way as if you were wiggling a gyroscope around, so it's not as smooth as other bikes. I don't know if that's what's being referred to in another thread as "twitchy." I even thought the front wheel bearing may have come loose, but everything is just right.

Is that sort of normal for a roadster? Is it the narrow bars? Is it just getting used to a different bike?

I expect in a week, I won't even notice it, but since I just put the entire thing together myself, I'm a little more tuned in for any abnormalities.
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1979 Canadian Raleigh Twenty folder. Finished except for a good long ride and sort out the fit. Did a short neighborhood roll. I like it. I will like it better if I change the 15 in the back for an 18.
Bike has come up well, looking really nice.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Never saw one of these before, but here is something similar in a 1930s accessories catalogs.

My 38 Hercules has a steel rear mudguard overlay with reflector and 'H' badge. No pics, it's boxed but someday.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
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I will be installing a larger rack from W. Germany. If I use small panniers, heel strike might not be a problem.
1979 Canadian Raleigh Twenty folder. Finished except for a good long ride and sort out the fit. Did a short neighborhood roll. I like it. I will like it better if I change the 15 in the back for an 18.
Nice work. I like the knobbys, take that puppy offroad.
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Originally Posted by carfreefamily
Roadster Handling:

I'm sure the handling is something I'll get used to, but I thought I would ask this question before I get used to it. I guess the question is - Is this typical of a roadster, or could something be out of line with my bike. I feel that it is probably typical, because the bike looks fine.

The thing I notice is that I am find myself at times sort of fighting the steering. I think it might probably be partly the very narrow handlebars. The bike seems to want to track straight, but at times it also seems to want to steer itself one way or another, particularly on a rough road. I'm more aware of a feeling of having a gyroscope between my hands, and some ordinary motions of the bike affect the steering the same way as if you were wiggling a gyroscope around, so it's not as smooth as other bikes. I don't know if that's what's being referred to in another thread as "twitchy." I even thought the front wheel bearing may have come loose, but everything is just right.

Is that sort of normal for a roadster? Is it the narrow bars? Is it just getting used to a different bike?

I expect in a week, I won't even notice it, but since I just put the entire thing together myself, I'm a little more tuned in for any abnormalities.

The older style geometry (slack) on these bikes does put the front wheel "out front" and
can need a bit of getting used to.
It's even more pronounced on the older frames.

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Originally Posted by clubman
Nice work. I like the knobbys, take that puppy offroad.
Well, the SOTS April challenge does include a bit of ďrough roadĒ riding to it!
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Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
Hey, I'd be up for that. An Ontario member's meet up.Maybe a ride on a stretch of the Guelph to Goderich trail?
thatís a good one as is the Cambridge to Paris trail. Iím in!
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Went to stick the Brampton Speedy Shifter on the bars of the Royal Nord tonight and realized it felt much heavier than a similar Sturmey Archer. Indeed it weighs almost double and i
s larger and made out of heavier steel. Certainly not an SA clone.
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thatís a good one as is the Cambridge to Paris trail. Iím in!
Interesting. Have not ridden the Paris Cambridge yet. Brantford - Paris, Port Dover- Brantford lots of times.
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Interesting. Have not ridden the Paris Cambridge yet. Brantford - Paris, Port Dover- Brantford lots of times.
My wife and I ride these trails. We have done the Lyn Valley from Simcoe to Port Dover a number of times, and we do parts of the Paris Cambridge every year.
I grew up about a mile and a half from where the Guelph Goderich trail runs west of Elmira, and I'm old enough to remember the sound of the steam trains as they blew their whistles at the crossing..
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Originally Posted by browngw
Went to stick the Brampton Speedy Shifter on the bars of the Royal Nord tonight and realized it felt much heavier than a similar Sturmey Archer. Indeed it weighs almost double and i
s larger and made out of heavier steel. Certainly not an SA clone.
Brampton did a good job with this shifter. The design is based on the earlier SA but it seems it was different enough for them to receive a new patent. SA was aware of the problem of bikes falling over and bending the shifter. Their approach in the mid 50s was to redesign it with a shorter lever and moving the mounting bolt inside the body to keep it closer to the handlebar. That may have helped, but I much prefer the longer lever for ease of use. Looks like Brampton took the better approach and beefed up the design with heavier steel. I like it. The other SA shifter in your photo is from the mid 70s. By then they decided to add a cover. Why they chose to make it out of plastic instead of metal is one of those "what were they thinking?" 70s things.

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