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Old 04-14-19, 08:24 PM
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700C (622mm) tires would not fit on stock 635mm rims.

There are 700C tires that are marked 28 x 1 1/2 x 1 1/4 and someone might be confused about what was purchased for the bike.

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This bike looks to be almost completely original. I'll bet the tires are the correct 28x 1 1/2 ( 635mm) .The rear mudguard is mounted incorrectly. The rear wire stays should be attached to the axle. The shifter cable may have been replaced at some point. The housing is longer than it needs to be. Very nice bike and a good deal 120.00 in my opinion. I love these bikes. Mine sees a lot of riding time. I'll never want to be without one. Good score!

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FYI - selling my Raleigh Twenty folder, right down to original red line tires.

Excellent Condition Early 70s Raleigh Twenty Folder

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Originally Posted by thumpism View Post
700C (622mm) tires would not fit on stock 635mm rims.

There are 700C tires that are marked 28 x 1 1/2 x 1 1/4 and someone might be confused about what was purchased for the bike.
This exact issue came up recently in a group I'm in on Facebook...something I hadn't seen before, and I was definitely surprised. I've seen 28x1-5/8x1-3/8 on 700C tires before, but always assumed 28x1-1/2" would always mean 635mm rims
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Old 04-15-19, 02:39 AM
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SW 3 Speed Hubs

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Cool bike. Two tips, a '58 may have an SW 3 speed hub which is prone to failure but easily replaced with an AW if it does. The SW hub may work just fine. Regardless of model, put a few drops of lightweight oil in the filler. Also oil the rear brake housing at the back. Water seeps in there into the loop and rusts the cable solid.
I have a 57 Philips with SW Hub. The one with no springs returning the Pawls.

from Sheldons Site:-
This model was intended to replace the AW in 1957, but was so troublesome that it was withdrawn, and the AW re-introduced in 1958. The SW uses a unique 3-prong driver, and has crescent-shaped pawls that don't use pawl springs. When they work, they're very nice. They are light, nearly silent, and efficient. None of the internal parts are interchangeable with other models.

from Brian Hayes Article on SW Hubs:-Lubrication: My recommendation for a lubricant is fairly thin oil such as automatic transmission fluid (ATF). I think this is especially important for the SW because with heavy oil, pawls may tend to stick in their sockets and resist being tripped into position — ultimately leading to wear and/or chipping. I have also used motorcycle transmission oil (Gearsaver by Belray), which is a thin oil replacement for 80W gear oil (equivalent viscosity to 20W motor oil, but it's actually very thin at room temperature). It's a bit thicker than regular ATF, but otherwise seems very similar; it seems to stick to the parts a little better so a good film remains after several hours of idle time. 75W gear oil (same viscosity as 10W motor oil) may prove to be an excellent lubricant, as well, although there really isn't any need for much EP additive since there are no hypoid gears. I also recommend parking the bike in an upright position to eliminate the possibility of oil starvation of the right-side pawls.

PeterLYoung comment: Leaving the bike on its stand causes the oil to move to the Left side of the hub causing the Right side and pawls to dry out and not operate correctly.

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Originally Posted by Iron Horse View Post
Well, I found this at a local swap meet. I have always wanted a rod braked bike, now I have one. Hub says '74 AW. I haven't ridden it until I get the bearings checked out, but everything seems to work. One question though. The person I purchased it from has 700c tires on it. They seem to fit, but they don't look right. What is this supposed to have? Oh, I paid $120 for it if you are interested. Hope I did ok at that.
Good score!
I'm impressed that Raleigh continued to make these bikes for as long as they did.
I have a 1978.
The labour to assemble the various brake components on the DL-1 has to be 2-3 times
more than caliper brakes yet, priced lower than a Superbe.

I can only imagine that the tooling had already paid for itself years ago and there
were a few "older" workers that could assemble them quickly.
The placement and relationship of these little parts is quite a challenge..(for me)
$91.95 in 1973 works out to $542.00 (CDN) in today's money or
$410.00 (US)
Your saddle looks to be in good shape as well.
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Copake Auction was last Saturday. A guy with a couple hundred dollars and a keen eye for 3-speeds could have done well.

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Originally Posted by SirMike1983 View Post
Copake Auction was last Saturday. A guy with a couple hundred dollars and a keen eye for 3-speeds could have done well.

https://bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2019...9-utility.html
I really need to make it to Copake one of these days. I looked through the catalog recently and a few of those definitely caught my eye
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983 View Post
Copake Auction was last Saturday. A guy with a couple hundred dollars and a keen eye for 3-speeds could have done well.

https://bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2019...9-utility.html
There were some very good deals there.
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Good evening!
First off, thank you to all who responded. Greatly appreciated!
Well I got a chance to look a little closer at the tires on the Tourist(/DL 1(?)), And the fella selling the bike must have been mistaken, as the tire clearly shows 40-635 / 28x11/2. I could have saved everyone the question if I had simply looked. Sorry about that. I was just excited to find this bike to really care about tire size specifics. These tires are Kendas, and the tread is noticeably narrower than the width of the rim. Is there a tire available that better looks like it goes with these rims, or is that just the nature of these style of rims? As I progress to the rebuilding of this bike, I would like to A): relocate the rear fender stay to the axle where it belongs, B): adjust the rear fender/rear wheel so that they look better centered than they do. And C): overhaul all bearings and associated equipment to check for wear and adjustments as necessary. Not necessarily in that order..... Are there any special items I need to know concerning this bike?
Thank you in advance!
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Crappy pix and no details but there's a Phillips in there somewhere. Might be worth a call if you're looking.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...860536569.html

BICYCLES - $40 (MIDLOTHIAN)





bicycle frame material: other/unknown
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ANTIQUE 50,s PHILLIPS, SCHWINN, 50,s
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all need work, tires, cleaning

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Good evening!
First off, thank you to all who responded. Greatly appreciated!
Well I got a chance to look a little closer at the tires on the Tourist(/DL 1(?)), And the fella selling the bike must have been mistaken, as the tire clearly shows 40-635 / 28x11/2. I could have saved everyone the question if I had simply looked. Sorry about that. I was just excited to find this bike to really care about tire size specifics. These tires are Kendas, and the tread is noticeably narrower than the width of the rim. Is there a tire available that better looks like it goes with these rims, or is that just the nature of these style of rims? As I progress to the rebuilding of this bike, I would like to A): relocate the rear fender stay to the axle where it belongs, B): adjust the rear fender/rear wheel so that they look better centered than they do. And C): overhaul all bearings and associated equipment to check for wear and adjustments as necessary. Not necessarily in that order..... Are there any special items I need to know concerning this bike?
Thank you in advance!
I do suggest one of the modern "puncture resistant" tires for these bikes. Simply since it's such a bear to remove the rear wheel. I have Continental Tour Rides on mine. One other thing. These came with a 16T cog on the AW hub. For me at least, that's insanely tall even with the 46T chainring. I use a 22T cog on mine. In fact, I'm pretty sure every other DL-1 rider I know from this thread gears their bikes down from the original 16T cog.
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Good evening!
First off, thank you to all who responded. Greatly appreciated!
Well I got a chance to look a little closer at the tires on the Tourist(/DL 1(?)), And the fella selling the bike must have been mistaken, as the tire clearly shows 40-635 / 28x11/2. I could have saved everyone the question if I had simply looked. Sorry about that. I was just excited to find this bike to really care about tire size specifics. These tires are Kendas, and the tread is noticeably narrower than the width of the rim. Is there a tire available that better looks like it goes with these rims, or is that just the nature of these style of rims? As I progress to the rebuilding of this bike, I would like to A): relocate the rear fender stay to the axle where it belongs, B): adjust the rear fender/rear wheel so that they look better centered than they do. And C): overhaul all bearings and associated equipment to check for wear and adjustments as necessary. Not necessarily in that order..... Are there any special items I need to know concerning this bike?
Thank you in advance!
I would agree with BC's suggestions. Swapping the rear cog is a good idea, quite easy to do and not expensive. A new one should cost $10.00 (approx) .
You'll need a new chain as well. Yes, service the bearings. If the hub is working properly, leave it alone other than a cleaning and oiling.
Rubbing the chrome with tin foil and water is a good rust remover/polish.
And don't throw anything out!
You can't go to the hardware store for a new axle nut.
Please post photos of your progress.
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Very true! don't throw anything away! Especially the original brake pad holders. Miles and miles back in this thread there was a discussion about rod brake set up. I learned a lot form the more experienced rod brake users. You can get reasonable performance from these brakes, but there's some technique involved. Since you may want to replace the old hardened pads soon, I'll tell you now not to get new Fibrax pads that come complete with the pad holders. You will do much better with the Kool Stop inserts. You drive the old pads out of the original holders with a punch and press in the new inserts. The Kool Stops are curved to match the rim, the Fibrax are not. Only the ends of the pads contact the rim. I suppose you're expected to ride the bike until they conform to the rim radius or shape them yourself, but I think it's ridiculous. The performance is terrible. Don't waste your money, use the Kool Stop inserts.
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Here in Toronto
1965 CCM Continental 3 speed

A little pricey @ $300.00 but it's quite complete and a dynohub in the hub.
Hubba hubba.
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IThese came with a 16T cog on the AW hub. For me at least, that's insanely tall even with the 46T chainring. I use a 22T cog on mine. In fact, I'm pretty sure every other DL-1 rider I know from this thread gears their bikes down from the original 16T cog.
Mine didn't and I don't...but, technically mine isn't a DL-1, since it pre-dates that model number and is most likely a Model 21 Tourist. My bike has 44x18 gearing that is, as far as I know, original.
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Originally Posted by BigChief View Post
I do suggest one of the modern "puncture resistant" tires for these bikes. Simply since it's such a bear to remove the rear wheel. I have Continental Tour Rides on mine. One other thing. These came with a 16T cog on the AW hub. For me at least, that's insanely tall even with the 46T chainring. I use a 22T cog on mine. In fact, I'm pretty sure every other DL-1 rider I know from this thread gears their bikes down from the original 16T cog.
Well put @BigChief . Shortly after I put my DL1 on the road with some supposedly nos Duro tires, I had a number of flats (mostly rear) before I purchased some new 40-635 Schwalbe Marathons and have not had a flat since. It was taking well over an hour of much unpleasantness to change a rear tire on my full chaincase model. Sir Wayes A. Tonne pictured when I got it a few years ago.
The recent mistake I made with the "28x1 1/2" rabbit hole"

on the 3 speed Royal Nord has left me with 2 new Vredestein Active Tour 2.0 Puncture Resistant 40-635 tires and a new Schwalbe Marathon I don't have any use for. Tires are a pain to ship so I will try to sell to an Ontario colleague who might have trouble finding them. I second the Kool stops as well.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983 View Post
Copake Auction was last Saturday. A guy with a couple hundred dollars and a keen eye for 3-speeds could have done well.

https://bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2019...9-utility.html
A buddy of mine has a house in Copake, knows I ride bikes, yet has never mentioned this. Did I say "buddy?"
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I rode my 66 Sport today. Great machine!
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Mine didn't and I don't...but, technically mine isn't a DL-1, since it pre-dates that model number and is most likely a Model 21 Tourist. My bike has 44x18 gearing that is, as far as I know, original.
Yeah, much older bike. Raleigh didn't export many rod brake models to the U.S. after the war. The DL-1 didn't appear in US catalogs until 1970 and only in 24" gents and 22" ladies frame sizes for the first few years. By 1970, Raleigh changed all the roadsters from 48T to 46T chainrings, so the DL-1s in the US have 46Tx 16T gearing. I don't know why they chose the 16T cog for these bikes. I can't comfortably ride these bikes geared that tall.

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Yeah, much older bike. Raleigh didn't export many rod brake models to the U.S. after the war. The DL-1 didn't appear in US catalogs until 1970 and only in 24" gents and 22" ladies frame sizes for the first few years. By 1970, Raleigh changed all the roadsters from 48T to 46T chainrings, so the DL-1s in the US have 46Tx 16T gearing. I don't know why they chose the 16T cog for these bikes. I can't comfortably ride these bikes geared that tall.

OT, but somewhat relevant...
I have a pot in the kitchen that I've had since 1977
when I moved out of my parents house and they
gave me a bunch of old household items.
I really like this pot.
It's a great pot for soup or rice or Beefaroni.
It heats up twice as fast as any new pot.
It's the perfect size, the handle stays cool.
If you're boiling water, the lid will clang and rattle as an alert.
Recently, I managed to burn it and was quite angry
with myself.

I found a replacement at the thrift shop and looked at
the stamp on the bottom


Revere Ware.....
Interesting.
We all know about Paul Revere's famous ride but
what did he do for a living?
He was a silversmith and made, amongst other things,
pots and pans...
"After Revere's death, the family business was taken over by his oldest surviving son, Joseph Warren Revere.[107] The copper works founded in 1801 continues today as the Revere Copper Company, with manufacturing divisions in Rome, New York and New Bedford, Massachusetts"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere
I've since found a smaller one in the trash and am keeping
my eyes open for the big pot.

Tune in to PBS Sundays at 3:30 am for my
new call in show...
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I rode my 66 Sport today. Great machine!
Thats what they love to do best!

Would love to see a pic or two of this 66í.
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Let me try and get some posted. I even have the assembly instructions that came with the pair of Sports we ride. Something special about the way they handle. Itís a very relaxed ride.
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Let me try and get some posted. I even have the assembly instructions that came with the pair of Sports we ride. Something special about the way they handle. Itís a very relaxed ride.
Make ten posts and you can then upload pics.
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