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Old 04-12-19, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by browngw View Post
Along the way enlightenment there are many, many, pitfalls Grasshopper. Since acquiring the wonderful old Made in Belgium
Really nice bike you have there - love the pinstriping & luglining, chainguard and chainring. That rack is also really cool - it's exactly what I keep looking for at the local recyclers. I used to have 2 just like this but donated them when I moved house - I was seeing them all the time at the recyclers, so thought they were easy to find. But can I find one now? Well, hopefully soon. Good luck with your tyre situation, it'll be great to see this ride-able.
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Old 04-13-19, 05:44 AM
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Hercules Update
Minimal progress as I got rained out yesterday...
I installed a new chain but have to remove a link to fit properly.
Front fender is looking somewhat better.
A big shout out to forum member Clubman who has
kindly sent me a NOS Dunlop 36H Front rim at a very reasonable
price.
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Hercules Update
Minimal progress as I got rained out yesterday...
I installed a new chain but have to remove a link to fit properly.
Front fender is looking somewhat better.
A big shout out to forum member Clubman who has
kindly sent me a NOS Dunlop 36H Front rim at a very reasonable
price.
Thank you!
Wow, you're really moving fast with this project. Looks great. Question: Did you decide to replace the original 32H hub and rim with 36H ?
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Old 04-13-19, 01:15 PM
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Wow, you're really moving fast with this project. Looks great. Question: Did you decide to replace the original 32H hub and rim with 36H ?
Thanks for the encouragement.
Yes, it will be a 36H front wheel.
Having found a NOS 40 rear wheel that accepted a SA freewheel
I'm visually obligated to put an equally nice wheel up front.
I'd ordered a NOS SA 36h hub and rim locally but the
rim turned out to be a 40....
I'll keep it for a future project.
Forum member clubman (Canadian) has sent me a
NOS 36 Dunlop so I'll use that.
I've never laced a wheel but I can try...
If not, George can probably help me.

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Old 04-13-19, 02:07 PM
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What Goes Around Comes Around
This somewhat ugly CCM 3 speed showed up on Kijiji today.

It used to be mine but looked like this.


I'd pulled it from the trash and swapped out the Shimano 3 for a SA hub.
I rode it for a couple of years and the decided to concentrate on British 3 speeds.
I sold it to a young fella at work (at cost) and he immediately stripped it down
and painted it red.
I was quite disappointed as the green colour was quite interesting.
It doesn't show in the photos, but it was a translucent green over a silver base.
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Old 04-13-19, 02:15 PM
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I've never laced a wheel but I can try...If not, George can probably help me.
I use Sheldon's guidance and works out pretty well every time. Especially fronts for some reason. You’ll have no problems.
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Old 04-14-19, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by markk900 View Post


I use Sheldon's guidance and works out pretty well every time. Especially fronts for some reason. You’ll have no problems.
Fronts are easier. Regular 3x pattern. The hardest part for me is truing. All these years and I'm still truing wheels on the bike. Much nicer to work on a bench mounted jig.
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Old 04-14-19, 06:10 AM
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This one showed up on Toronto Kijiji yesterday
with an asking price of $452.00...

On the other hand, this one's being offered for $100.00 including delivery.


Looks like a Raleigh built Glider.

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Old 04-14-19, 06:45 AM
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Interesting...
Here's another bike on Kijiji.
Listed a a vintage Runwell.

Appears British with a Dynohub up front and a Westwood rim on the back.


https://www.oldbike.eu/museum/1930s/...-super-sports/
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Old 04-14-19, 06:49 AM
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Old 04-14-19, 07:22 AM
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That folder looks familiar, could belong to someone here.
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Old 04-14-19, 09:19 AM
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That folder looks familiar, could belong to someone here.
it's here in Toronto
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Old 04-14-19, 12:45 PM
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1950 Raleigh Superbe Update

I've taken care of a few odds and ends this weekend. The '50 Superbe is almost ready for reassembly. I just have to service the AG and run cables after I install the brakes and finish the fender clean up. I'm happy to have found the derelict 1979 Sports. It has been a big help. I pulled the bottom bracket from the '79 using my new cotter press to keep, in case the 1950 original ever needs to be replaced. It was a real mess, but everything came out OK. Looking forward to using the press on my AO-8 project.



Finished cleaning and polishing the donor brakes from the '79 Sports, and put the pads on finger tight. Still need to buy new brake cable, but I finished cleaning the original 1950 housings.


I have to say that the cotter press is worth every penny. A two minute job. I have a Peugeot with cotters I would like to reuse, and I have a feeling a step through 3 speed is in my future since my girlfriend is catching the bug. The purple frame behind the crank is her '92ish Bianchi Main Street with various upgrades and drop bar conversion.


The left cotter I took out of the 1950 Superbe. The one on the right is from the 1979 Sports.

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Old 04-14-19, 01:35 PM
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Rode long out into the country to keep my Sisters house and pets company.


You can see the tire marks. White might not have been the best colour for this.
Mudflap update:

it seems to do the job okay with one hitch. I road down a limestone gravel road with no spray on the underside BB and over my shoes. On the other hand, it is a bit flimsy and will blow up against the tire in these stiff winds we are having now.

Still pleased with its performance.
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Old 04-14-19, 04:22 PM
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Last weekend, I finally got around to taking some good pictures of my 1937 Raleigh Tourist, the first since setting it up with the 8V DynoHub and matching headliamp.

Here are a few from my phone's camera (with some minor edits to bump up the color saturation...)







.....and a couple with my 1950s Voigtländer Perkeo II:


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Old 04-14-19, 05:13 PM
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@agmetal What a stately ride. Such a treat to see such a fine vintage bike back on the road. Good job!
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Well, I found this at a local swap meet. I have always wanted a rod braked bike, now I have one. Hub says '74 AW. I haven't ridden it until I get the bearings checked out, but everything seems to work. One question though. The person I purchased it from has 700c tires on it. They seem to fit, but they don't look right. What is this supposed to have? Oh, I paid $120 for it if you are interested. Hope I did ok at that.
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It's possible that your bike has the Canadian size 28 x 1 3/4 which are equivalent to 700c but that's very unusual, as all the DL1/Tourists I've seen have the larger wheel. You can't stretch a 622mm tire on a 635mm rim without damaging the bead. Have a good look at the sidewall markings for more info. Rims too? The Canadian Dunlop rims are marked 28 x 1 3/4 WO.
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700C (622mm) tires would not fit on stock 635mm rims.

There are 700C tires that are marked 28 x 1 1/2 x 1 1/4 and someone might be confused about what was purchased for the bike.

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This bike looks to be almost completely original. I'll bet the tires are the correct 28x 1 1/2 ( 635mm) .The rear mudguard is mounted incorrectly. The rear wire stays should be attached to the axle. The shifter cable may have been replaced at some point. The housing is longer than it needs to be. Very nice bike and a good deal 120.00 in my opinion. I love these bikes. Mine sees a lot of riding time. I'll never want to be without one. Good score!

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FYI - selling my Raleigh Twenty folder, right down to original red line tires.

Excellent Condition Early 70s Raleigh Twenty Folder

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700C (622mm) tires would not fit on stock 635mm rims.

There are 700C tires that are marked 28 x 1 1/2 x 1 1/4 and someone might be confused about what was purchased for the bike.
This exact issue came up recently in a group I'm in on Facebook...something I hadn't seen before, and I was definitely surprised. I've seen 28x1-5/8x1-3/8 on 700C tires before, but always assumed 28x1-1/2" would always mean 635mm rims
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SW 3 Speed Hubs

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Cool bike. Two tips, a '58 may have an SW 3 speed hub which is prone to failure but easily replaced with an AW if it does. The SW hub may work just fine. Regardless of model, put a few drops of lightweight oil in the filler. Also oil the rear brake housing at the back. Water seeps in there into the loop and rusts the cable solid.
I have a 57 Philips with SW Hub. The one with no springs returning the Pawls.

from Sheldons Site:-
This model was intended to replace the AW in 1957, but was so troublesome that it was withdrawn, and the AW re-introduced in 1958. The SW uses a unique 3-prong driver, and has crescent-shaped pawls that don't use pawl springs. When they work, they're very nice. They are light, nearly silent, and efficient. None of the internal parts are interchangeable with other models.

from Brian Hayes Article on SW Hubs:-Lubrication: My recommendation for a lubricant is fairly thin oil such as automatic transmission fluid (ATF). I think this is especially important for the SW because with heavy oil, pawls may tend to stick in their sockets and resist being tripped into position — ultimately leading to wear and/or chipping. I have also used motorcycle transmission oil (Gearsaver by Belray), which is a thin oil replacement for 80W gear oil (equivalent viscosity to 20W motor oil, but it's actually very thin at room temperature). It's a bit thicker than regular ATF, but otherwise seems very similar; it seems to stick to the parts a little better so a good film remains after several hours of idle time. 75W gear oil (same viscosity as 10W motor oil) may prove to be an excellent lubricant, as well, although there really isn't any need for much EP additive since there are no hypoid gears. I also recommend parking the bike in an upright position to eliminate the possibility of oil starvation of the right-side pawls.

PeterLYoung comment: Leaving the bike on its stand causes the oil to move to the Left side of the hub causing the Right side and pawls to dry out and not operate correctly.

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Well, I found this at a local swap meet. I have always wanted a rod braked bike, now I have one. Hub says '74 AW. I haven't ridden it until I get the bearings checked out, but everything seems to work. One question though. The person I purchased it from has 700c tires on it. They seem to fit, but they don't look right. What is this supposed to have? Oh, I paid $120 for it if you are interested. Hope I did ok at that.
Good score!
I'm impressed that Raleigh continued to make these bikes for as long as they did.
I have a 1978.
The labour to assemble the various brake components on the DL-1 has to be 2-3 times
more than caliper brakes yet, priced lower than a Superbe.

I can only imagine that the tooling had already paid for itself years ago and there
were a few "older" workers that could assemble them quickly.
The placement and relationship of these little parts is quite a challenge..(for me)
$91.95 in 1973 works out to $542.00 (CDN) in today's money or
$410.00 (US)
Your saddle looks to be in good shape as well.
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Copake Auction was last Saturday. A guy with a couple hundred dollars and a keen eye for 3-speeds could have done well.

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