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Old 05-24-19, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sd5782
Very interesting rare looking Raleighs. First is one claimed to be 1961 with an IGH and also a derailleur. A mix of parts and maybe all doesn't add up, but the price seems reasonable for what is there.

https://toledo.craigslist.org/bik/d/...895914139.html

Of more interest is this 5 speed Sprite with the IGH and twin shifters. I of course know next to nothing about either of these but thought others may enjoy. I would seriously be interested in the green Sprite except didn't want the whole bunch. It does appear to be mint.

https://toledo.craigslist.org/bik/d/...894287042.html
I'd try to separate the Sprite from the lot. Hate those pedals, though. The shifters should go, too.

EDIT: That late '60s sport looks good, too. I'm a little surprised by the shift cable routing--that how my wife's Lady's model is routed.

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Originally Posted by sd5782
Very interesting rare looking Raleighs. First is one claimed to be 1961 with an IGH and also a derailleur. A mix of parts and maybe all doesn't add up, but the price seems reasonable for what is there.

https://toledo.craigslist.org/bik/d/...895914139.html

Of more interest is this 5 speed Sprite with the IGH and twin shifters. I of course know next to nothing about either of these but thought others may enjoy. I would seriously be interested in the green Sprite except didn't want the whole bunch. It does appear to be mint.

https://toledo.craigslist.org/bik/d/...894287042.html
That's the third triple cog Sports that's showed up here recently. Funny how that happens. Nice bike. Tall frame too. Looks all good to me even at $200.
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Old 05-24-19, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gster
A 1967 Raleigh built Super Cycle for $100.00
Toronto Kijiji

Da-yum!

Da-yum
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Old 05-24-19, 04:34 PM
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Da-yum
I've always liked those gold bikes.
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Looks almost original except the stem and maybe the tires. Great price for a clean survivor!
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Originally Posted by gna
I'd try to separate the Sprite from the lot. Hate those pedals, though. The shifters should go, too.

EDIT: That late '60s sport looks good, too. I'm a little surprised by the shift cable routing--that how my wife's Lady's model is routed.
Maybe the shifter cable was re routed that way to clear the wire baskets. Hard to tell in the photo. I don't think Raleigh routed gents models that way until later in the 70s.
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Old 05-25-19, 06:55 AM
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This frame may go back to the curb...The stem is firmly rusted in place.
It looks like the previous owner actually destroyed/ripped the bar clamp off
trying to free it up.
I'll give it a chance but
I'm not spending too much time on this.
I've never had a frozen stem before...
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Originally Posted by gster
This frame may go back to the curb...The stem is firmly rusted in place.
It looks like the previous owner actually destroyed/ripped the bar clamp off
trying to free it up.
I'll give it a chance but
I'm not spending too much time on this.
I've never had a frozen stem before...
Well, it's still a good tall frame. you might be able to saw it off.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Well, it's still a good tall frame. I'd just saw the stem off since it's wrecked anyway. You might even be able to save the fork someday. It would be easier to fight with it off the frame.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Well, it's still a good tall frame. you might be able to saw it off.
Had a closer look.
Forks are bent/askew

The frame looks off as well.

Hard to see in the photo.
There's also a dent in the rear stay
I'll just salvage the post and BB and put it back out.
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Don't forget the steering races. They look pretty good, at least in the photo.
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Do you think this wheel is salvageable?

Hi all,

I've kept mostly everything from the '79 donor Sports, a long with the front wheel. Since my '50 Suberbe lost its front wheel somehow along the way, I thought of cleaning up this guy and using it. The hub feels good - probably just needs fresh bearings and grease. However the rust gives me pause. See photos where I've cleaned a bit. Is it worth it? The nipples are in decent shape. I haven't found any soft spots.
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Originally Posted by Ged117
Hi all,

I've kept mostly everything from the '79 donor Sports, a long with the front wheel. Since my '50 Suberbe lost its front wheel somehow along the way, I thought of cleaning up this guy and using it. The hub feels good - probably just needs fresh bearings and grease. However the rust gives me pause. See photos where I've cleaned a bit. Is it worth it? The nipples are in decent shape. I haven't found any soft spots.
I would use that wheel until a better one came along. Preferably a 32H. Or someday, swap out both rims for CR-18 alloys. The 590mm CR-18s come in 40H and 32H. I always liked the look of the 40/32 wheels on the old roadsters. Looks balanced to me.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Don't forget the steering races. They look pretty good, at least in the photo.
Yes, also salvaged.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
I would use that wheel until a better one came along. Preferably a 32H. Or someday, swap out both rims for CR-18 alloys. The 590mm CR-18s come in 40H and 32H. I always liked the look of the 40/32 wheels on the old roadsters. Looks balanced to me.
I agree (again) with BC.
Keep it for now.
Looks like a lot of work to clean the rust but
the wheel could be a place holder until a better
one comes along.
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I just today found this ‘46. I have a ‘72, and several DL-1’s. I have always enjoyed the “Sports” for everyday actual riding.
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I just today found this ‘46. I have a ‘72, and several DL-1’s. I have always enjoyed the “Sports” for everyday actual riding.
This has a lot going for it. Great find! Original finish, shifter, cloth cable housings, early type one piece shifter cable stop, original black cable clips, rims, stainless spokes, complete chain case, original SA headlamp. (can't see if the tail light is there) original double quill pedals. I wonder f the rubber blocks were changed at some point, hard to say. Outside of a fork thimble and grips this looks to be all there and in good shape. You hit a home run on this one. The shifter looks like it might be bent and rusty (need better pics) but don't give up on it if it is. They can be restored. Great bike.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
This has a lot going for it. Great find! Original finish, shifter, cloth cable housings, early type one piece shifter cable stop, original black cable clips, rims, stainless spokes, complete chain case, original SA headlamp. (can't see if the tail light is there) original double quill pedals. I wonder f the rubber blocks were changed at some point, hard to say. Outside of a fork thimble and grips this looks to be all there and in good shape. You hit a home run on this one. The shifter looks like it might be bent and rusty (need better pics) but don't give up on it if it is. They can be restored. Great bike.
Looks to be a Dyno Hub up front as well?
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Originally Posted by bikerosity57


I just today found this ‘46. I have a ‘72, and several DL-1’s. I have always enjoyed the “Sports” for everyday actual riding.
Wow. Great find.
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I just today found this ‘46. I have a ‘72, and several DL-1’s. I have always enjoyed the “Sports” for everyday actual riding.
If you only needed one English roadster, that could be it. A Lucas King of the Road (?) bell is icing on the cake.
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If you only needed one English roadster, that could be it. A Lucas King of the Road (?) bell is icing on the cake.
I went and had a gander at Ebay for one of those to provide the finishing touch to my 1950 Superbe Sports. They are not cheap, but do they provide that perfect sound?
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I went and had a gander at Ebay for one of those to provide the finishing touch to my 1950 Superbe Sports. They are not cheap, but do they provide that perfect sound?
They've got that quintessential loud 'da-ding, da-dong' with one sweep of the thumb. The big 3 inch brass plated model has a big clear ring that sustains, I like it a lot, I think it's called a chalice bell?

The other Lucas bells have a "brring-brring" sound and a different mechanism. More typical of most bells. Still nice.

Oddly, the Chinese Flying Pigeon often came equipped with an exact replica of the 3" chalice bell. Identical to the Lucas in every way, even build quality. I sold an NIB Lucas for $100 years ago but I've still got the Chinese knock-off in the stash. Perhaps it's a Phoenix, not a Pigeon.

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Originally Posted by clubman
They've got that quintessential loud 'da-ding, da-dong' with one sweep of the thumb. The big 3 inch brass plated model has a big clear ring that sustains, I like it a lot, I think it's called a chalice bell?

The other Lucas bells have a "brring-brring" sound and a different mechanism. More typical of most bells. Still nice.

Oddly, the Chinese Flying Pigeon often came equipped with an exact replica of the 3" chalice bell. Identical to the Lucas in every way, even build quality. I sold an NIB Lucas for $100 years ago but I've still got the Chinese knock-off in the stash. Perhaps it's a Phoenix, not a Pigeon.
I have an old SOTAM bell that sounds like the Ice Cream Man is coming...
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I’m putting my 1974 Superbe back together and I noticed that the top headset cup pops into place without a headset press. The bottom did need to be pressed into place. It is tight but still rotates a bit. It does look like it was reamed at some point.







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Originally Posted by jamesj
I’m putting my 1974 Superbe back together and I noticed that the top headset cup pops into place without a headset press. The bottom did need to be pressed into place. It is tight but still rotates a bit. It does look like it was reamed at some point.







I can't see that being a problem.
Once assembled, everything is locked together .
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