For the love of English 3 speeds...
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I want to crash this thread to ask a 3-speed-related question...
In short, has anyone ever found a new mudguard/fender set that fits 28" wheels? I think 700c just might stretch enough, but I'm not sure.
I am planning a double-project which has been gestating for 2 yrs or so, so far.
I have my BSA pathracer 'recreation' (apologies Picchio - I know..) which will shortly get a retrograde make-over back to a roadster.
I have a set of 70s Sturmey hub-brakes (110mm tandem front, 3 speed rear) which are, from memory, both 36 hole. A Christchurch (earthquake) cycle dealer sells the Guv'nor rims (36 hole) for NZD$115 each - so wheels sorted.
I have a spare, newish B66 Brooks. I have nice Williams crankset, although I'll probably stick with the BSA one. Until now, I have just needed a frame, and a set of mudguards (the ones on the BSA originally were not a matching set, and are pretty rough)
Now I have bought this frame (to be delivered) :-

it is old BSA, very lazy angles, 55cm seat tube - a bit small, but OK
that will be my new Pathracer, with a Major Taylor stem and some old Lauterwasser-style bars (but probably older) that need nickel plating, plus a Flyer Special which is 1 yr old.
All very confusing, I know, but when it's done, I will post pics.
Anyway, anyone know of a good source of suitable guards?
Also, I probably won't bother with a chaincase, as I have a complete-original 4-speed 1955 26" green Raleigh roadster, and 1939 28" Raleigh loopframe, so I don't feel the need to be historically accurate - I am suiting myself with a clear conscience, knowing I have preserved 2 old bikes 'as original', and knowing I am doing nothing irreversible to my 'bitzer' projects.
I want to crash this thread to ask a 3-speed-related question...
In short, has anyone ever found a new mudguard/fender set that fits 28" wheels? I think 700c just might stretch enough, but I'm not sure.
I am planning a double-project which has been gestating for 2 yrs or so, so far.
I have my BSA pathracer 'recreation' (apologies Picchio - I know..) which will shortly get a retrograde make-over back to a roadster.
I have a set of 70s Sturmey hub-brakes (110mm tandem front, 3 speed rear) which are, from memory, both 36 hole. A Christchurch (earthquake) cycle dealer sells the Guv'nor rims (36 hole) for NZD$115 each - so wheels sorted.
I have a spare, newish B66 Brooks. I have nice Williams crankset, although I'll probably stick with the BSA one. Until now, I have just needed a frame, and a set of mudguards (the ones on the BSA originally were not a matching set, and are pretty rough)
Now I have bought this frame (to be delivered) :-
it is old BSA, very lazy angles, 55cm seat tube - a bit small, but OK
that will be my new Pathracer, with a Major Taylor stem and some old Lauterwasser-style bars (but probably older) that need nickel plating, plus a Flyer Special which is 1 yr old.
All very confusing, I know, but when it's done, I will post pics.
Anyway, anyone know of a good source of suitable guards?
Also, I probably won't bother with a chaincase, as I have a complete-original 4-speed 1955 26" green Raleigh roadster, and 1939 28" Raleigh loopframe, so I don't feel the need to be historically accurate - I am suiting myself with a clear conscience, knowing I have preserved 2 old bikes 'as original', and knowing I am doing nothing irreversible to my 'bitzer' projects.

115.00 each for rims ?
Let me pop a little nitro under my tongue here.
You might look at come of Electra and Velo Orange's offerings when it comes to aftermarket parts... their house brands are very nice and reasonably priced and a wider 700c mud guard is going to be a pretty close fit for a 635 as a wide 700c is a deeper section tyre and has a larger outer diameter that comes very close to the oversized British wheel.
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that's $115 NZD - about 55 pounds or USD$75-80 at a good guess. Yes, alot, but the perfect size.
And it's hard to get a 36 hole 28" rim - lots of old 32 and 40 holes out there
but thanks, I will check out Electra and VO
And it's hard to get a 36 hole 28" rim - lots of old 32 and 40 holes out there
but thanks, I will check out Electra and VO
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So are the condition and the color!
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She's a beauty... only cosmetic issue are some dings in the chain guard which actually look worse in the picture than they do in person.
Those Mavic rims are gorgeous (double walled and eyeletted)... they almost built themselves and with those Delta Cruisers the ride is spectacular.
Was toying with the idea of building up a set for my '54 Raleigh and changing my 700c conversion into a 650A conversion... only had 4 pairs of these rims and figure I will save one set for myself since I don't expect to find any more of them.
Those Mavic rims are gorgeous (double walled and eyeletted)... they almost built themselves and with those Delta Cruisers the ride is spectacular.
Was toying with the idea of building up a set for my '54 Raleigh and changing my 700c conversion into a 650A conversion... only had 4 pairs of these rims and figure I will save one set for myself since I don't expect to find any more of them.
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Has anyone mounted a Wald 215 rear rack to a Raleigh 3-speed Sports with fenders? It looks like a nice rack, classic lines, but I am not sure it would clear the rear fender.
Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
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Looks like it would work, classic lines -but that front mount looks a bit sketchy. Doesn't look very strong or stable. It probably wouldn't be too hard to brace up though. For that price just buy it and try it.
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Won't fit...the legs are too short. Been there tried that still got the rack! I ended up buying a Sunlite? spring rack instead.
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Has anyone mounted a Wald 215 rear rack to a Raleigh 3-speed Sports with fenders? It looks like a nice rack, classic lines, but I am not sure it would clear the rear fender.
Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
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Has anyone mounted a Wald 215 rear rack to a Raleigh 3-speed Sports with fenders? It looks like a nice rack, classic lines, but I am not sure it would clear the rear fender.
Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
Back to your question, lol. It will have plenty of clearance to fit, but you may have to bend the attachment bracket to get it to sit level. And it's steel, so of course it's heavy. The mounting bolts are cheap, so I used allen bolts for the stays, and a beefier bolt for the bracket (with a locknut) One more very important note: you'll have to supply your own reflector

@Aaron: wonder how it didn't fit? Maybe there are more than one size of these Wald racks? If it fits on a 27" bike, how would it not fit on a 26" Sports? weird.
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The mounting points on the Sports are way back behind the axle. The rack hits the fender and you can't get it level.
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I suppose it might take a little bit of fabricating brackets to make it work. C&V wrenchers are used to making stuff work on their older bikes as off-the-shelf bolt-on accessories stopped being made for many of our bikes decades ago.
It's not an insurmountable hurdle.
It's not an insurmountable hurdle.
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I have one of these that I cut out the middle section to make it just fit my Hercules. It worked OK though it did scratch up the fender when I was putting it on. You're welcome to try it out and see if it fits.
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Couldn't you drill holes on the top of the dropout for mounting the rack?
Though it shouldn't be hard to find a rack that fits.
Why isn't the good ol' Pletscher rack made any more? That was a huge favorite in the 70's. It was wobbly, but I didn't see many fail, and everyone loved the spring clip.
Though it shouldn't be hard to find a rack that fits.
Why isn't the good ol' Pletscher rack made any more? That was a huge favorite in the 70's. It was wobbly, but I didn't see many fail, and everyone loved the spring clip.
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So I finally received the bb spindle I ordered from England after exhausting every possibility State-side. . .
Assembled it with a new cup on my '53 Sports, and started reassembling everything. Now the crank spins like a top - no more crunching sounds!
The wheel with the SA hub I rebuilt weeks ago was at the ready, and all I had to do was screw in the indicator spindle, hook up the cable and try it out. Hot diggity !
Problem: Indicator won't screw in!
Cause: Broken axle key.
I fished out the two halves and they did seem quite worn, but c'mon - aren't these SA things supposed to be reliable? Why do they wait 60 years to break on me? Grrrr ! ! !
(This is why I think these 3-speeds are not for the faint of heart. 10-speeds are infinitely easier to work on!)
Assembled it with a new cup on my '53 Sports, and started reassembling everything. Now the crank spins like a top - no more crunching sounds!

The wheel with the SA hub I rebuilt weeks ago was at the ready, and all I had to do was screw in the indicator spindle, hook up the cable and try it out. Hot diggity !
Problem: Indicator won't screw in!
Cause: Broken axle key.
I fished out the two halves and they did seem quite worn, but c'mon - aren't these SA things supposed to be reliable? Why do they wait 60 years to break on me? Grrrr ! ! !

(This is why I think these 3-speeds are not for the faint of heart. 10-speeds are infinitely easier to work on!)

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Couldn't you drill holes on the top of the dropout for mounting the rack?
Though it shouldn't be hard to find a rack that fits.
Why isn't the good ol' Pletscher rack made any more? That was a huge favorite in the 70's. It was wobbly, but I didn't see many fail, and everyone loved the spring clip.
Though it shouldn't be hard to find a rack that fits.
Why isn't the good ol' Pletscher rack made any more? That was a huge favorite in the 70's. It was wobbly, but I didn't see many fail, and everyone loved the spring clip.
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Thank Aaron, Thor does have one that appears to be the same as the classic but I will call since most of his things are for folding bikes with small wheels so it might be similar to Raliegh 20 rack.
Will I plan to email you about getting together this weekend.
I am currently considering Beria rack https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A285ULQPFYVT8W one of the pictures has some measurements.
I plan to put a set of folding baskets on the sides.
-roger
Will I plan to email you about getting together this weekend.
I am currently considering Beria rack https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A285ULQPFYVT8W one of the pictures has some measurements.
I plan to put a set of folding baskets on the sides.
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Oh my God, that site is amazing. I ordered a front rack, and it's only $45 with shipping.
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Thor is the GOD of Dahon folders, in the USA. There is actually something going on with a Dahon split between father and son, son is starting a new lineup called Tern folding bikes, and Thor is over there in the middle of it.
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They didn't have the term "rack" in the listing for the rack, which is, I suppose, why it doesn't come up in web searches. Anyway, this site is rather exotic. It looks like all the merchandise is European made. I like the 5v charging system they have. Makes me want to get a dynohub.
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Last night, I gave my daughter (who lives in San Francisco) a new bike. She's here for a couple of weeks. We test rode the bike, and I rode along sider her on my Twenty. She looked and chuckled and said, "That's a funny bike."
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Rivendell (sp?) sells the Pletscher racks.....not as cheap as Amazon etc but they do have them if you really really want for one. I bought two racks, at a great price for the time, years ago when Riv first started handling Pletscher. It works and looks great on the old Raleigh Sports. PG.
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My second favourite rack is the one that came with old Peugeots... it is strong and elegant and really suits vintage bicycles.