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Old 07-13-11, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Amesja
My theory is that a lot of Raleighs came in without kickstands and this was a common unit in American bike shops that got put on them. Perhaps it was a weight issue and the kickstands were just left off to save it.
Bingo! That's how all the Raleighs came through at A.R. Adams in the early '70's. We used the alloy ones because the spring loaded bent metal rod jobs were used on Columbias. You kept the cheap stand on the cheap bike and . . . . . .

I don't remember ever having a customer ask that the stand be left off - at least one everything under a Super Course. Once you got into that price range, God help you if you suggested a stand to a customer.
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Gorgeous Neal....question about the basket - I've been fretting over cable routing with a basket - any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by markk900
Gorgeous Neal....question about the basket - I've been fretting over cable routing with a basket - any suggestions?
That's a WALD basket that hangs from the bars by two reasonably long brackets. There seems to be plenty of room for the cables. They get pushed up a bit, but nothing to interfere with function.

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Thanks - they look squished in all the photos I`ve seen, but I know my wife would like a basket (probably a Wald but the mesh style) on her Standard.

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this was left against a newspaper box 2 weeks ago, spotted it on the way to a BBQ it was still there on the way home. The shift cable was pulled out, saddle broken in half and double flatted. Hub date is a 61.

She won't be getting a period restoration, but a usable restoration. Have already thrown on a GB stem, VO Milan bars. These grips: green apple grips and matching pedals: green apple pedals a black VO model 5 saddle and a Specialized Daily basket

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Took my 3 speed out on the town for the day, a lot of people stopping me and asking about it. Weather was perfect, nice sun, not to hot or humid. I think I've fallen in love.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
That's a WALD basket that hangs from the bars by two reasonably long brackets. There seems to be plenty of room for the cables. They get pushed up a bit, but nothing to interfere with function.

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Neal's Sports looks almost exactly like mine, but cleaner (as Tom points out). I use the rear version of the Wald baskets. Same long coated metal hooks. Fits the Pletscher perfectly, and looks great. I have two, but mostly just use one.



Whoops: mine are made by Basil, not Wald. Same concept.

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Baskets go good on old Raleighs...

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So what are you folks doing about water bottles?

I haven't seen many here who are attaching water bottles to their 3-speeds. Is this an aesthetic choice to keep the vintage look? Are you just carrying them in your saddle bags or baskets?
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I put an old REG water bottle cage on my '51 Armstrong.
I wish I could find a few more.



(Yes, that's a vitamin water bottle in it)
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Originally Posted by cazoo
So what are you folks doing about water bottles?

I haven't seen many here who are attaching water bottles to their 3-speeds. Is this an aesthetic choice to keep the vintage look? Are you just carrying them in your saddle bags or baskets?
Mine goes in the basket. Along with my lunch.
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Originally Posted by cazoo
So what are you folks doing about water bottles?

I haven't seen many here who are attaching water bottles to their 3-speeds. Is this an aesthetic choice to keep the vintage look? Are you just carrying them in your saddle bags or baskets?
I have aluminium cage straps to attach bottle cages to bikes that have no braze on mounts and really like handlebar mounted cages.
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Obviously, your Snapple bottle goes right in the basket...



Or not:

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I carry one in my saddle bag or in the basket if I am riding more than a few miles. Typical rides under 10 miles I don't usually have one.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Typical rides under 10 miles I don't usually have one. Aaron
I try to apply the maxim of one pint for every ten miles... and that ain't Snapple!
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Originally Posted by cazoo
So what are you folks doing about water bottles?

I haven't seen many here who are attaching water bottles to their 3-speeds. Is this an aesthetic choice to keep the vintage look? Are you just carrying them in your saddle bags or baskets?
If I want a vintage ride experience I carry it in the saddlebag. I figure that's what people did before water bottle cages, spandex and other racing gear became the norm for the casual rider.
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Originally Posted by w1gfh
If I want a vintage ride experience I carry it in the saddlebag. I figure that's what people did before water bottle cages, spandex and other racing gear became the norm for the casual rider.
Actually, if you wanted a real vintage ride experience you'd have to stop at the pub when you got thirsty.
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10 miles without water in this weather seems dangerous. I attach mine to the handlebars. I haven't had to change any major components on my bike, and my accessories are not period correct.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
Actually, if you wanted a real vintage ride experience you'd have to stop at the pub when you got thirsty.
True, or maybe stop and "brew up" hot tea if you want the UK experience. For the US mid 60s vintage experience I think I'd need to stop at a corner "variety store" and buy a glass bottle of Coke or Pepsi (urp). No one sold water back then (charge $ for a drink of water? There would have been riots) and few drank it outdoors except from a garden hose or a canteen.

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Mmmm....hose water is best when taken from some random house in the midst of a ride....makes ya feel like a teenager again.
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I'm not sure if this fits in this thread, but I'm wondering about fitting a chaincase to a Sports that doesn't have the threaded boss for chaincases.

I think that somone could JB weld a nut (that's been filed to fit) to the chainstay, fitting the chaincase over that, and securing that with an appropriate bolt would do. Can JB weld hold up to that kind of stress?
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Chain guard clamps work?

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I don't mean the partial chainguard, I'm talking about the full oilbath chaincase, the kind that comes on a DL-1. All the DL-1s that I've seen that come with the chaincase have a theaded stud right behind the bottom bracket.

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Originally Posted by jrecoi
I'm not sure if this fits in this thread, but I'm wondering about fitting a chaincase to a Sports that doesn't have the threaded boss for chaincases.

I think that somone could JB weld a nut (that's been filed to fit) to the chainstay, fitting the chaincase over that, and securing that with an appropriate bolt would do. Can JB weld hold up to that kind of stress?
Check out this blog for photos how one forum member attached theirs to a bike without brazed on mounts.
https://graywolfphoto.com/journal/200...getting-there/
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Originally Posted by jrecoi
I'm not sure if this fits in this thread, but I'm wondering about fitting a chaincase to a Sports that doesn't have the threaded boss for chaincases.

I think that somone could JB weld a nut (that's been filed to fit) to the chainstay, fitting the chaincase over that, and securing that with an appropriate bolt would do. Can JB weld hold up to that kind of stress?
I'd think it could, given proper surface prep and decent sized filets.

Surface prep would likely require paint removal in the area to be bonded, followed by solvent cleaning. Scuff up and then degrease the nut. Be sure to have adequate material between the nut and the tube. Build a decent filet around the full perimeter. Nothing ridiculous but generous with a smooth contoured surface - about 50% of the wall height on the nut.

Do you intend to drill the tube or trim the screw? If the fastener is too long and bottoms out on the tube, it will act to pop the nut off the tube.

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