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Old 06-29-20, 07:14 AM
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1948 Humber Beeston Clubman

I was given this bike by a gentleman in his eighties who told me he bought it new in 1948. He no longer can ride it and as I restored bikes he offered it to me for free. After taking a look at it I made him take a payment for it, a token payment really but fair as it was going to cost a lot to restore.

The Humber Beeston Clubman is the rarest of the trio of Clubman bikes made by Raleigh, the other two are the Lenton Clubman and the Rudge Aero Clubman.
It had a Sturmey Archer AM Medium Ratio 3 Speed but he said it had failed at some point and the bike shop swopped the innards for an AW Wide Ratio unit.
The bike had been adapted as he got older and the dropped bars changed for Straight Bars and the brakes changed for later Raleigh design as the originals had the fixed length with nipples both ends and the cables were obsolete. Also the rat-trap pedals were replaced with rubber tread ones. The 26” x 1-1/4”. Dunlop Special Lightweight rims were shot having been dented and rusted.

So really I only had a frame, crank set and hubs (SA Casing for rear). From which to restore his bike to original condition.

The frame had been over-sprayed, covering the transfers in a thin film of blue paint. Fortunately there was enough present to photograph and dimension all the transfers to get new ones made. Lloyds made me a new set so I can get the frame refinished and transfers replaced.
The original bars and stem had been long discarded and the stem being the clamp type I had little hope of finding one, luckily and guy in Canada had a correct bars and stem and was happy to sell and ship to UK, fortunately they are in nice condition
The brakes were also tricky as for the Humber Fork Crown they have a special ferrule to fit between the crown plates, I bought several old sets from e-bay and between them I managed to make up a decent correct set. I have also managed to obtain some correct NOS cables.
The 3 Speed trigger on the bike was a mid-fifties type, not correct for 1948 . After much searching I obtained a NOS Model GC2 Trigger which was only made between 1948 & 1949, very rare as NOS.
I found a Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed hub on e-bay but when I stripped it one of the planet gears and the axle sun gear were stripped, Colwood Wheelworks who happen to be close by supplied the damaged parts so I could rebuild it. In this 3 Speed the planet wheels have to be set using timing marks when re-assembling and this probably was the cause of the damage. I now also have a spare AM 3 Speed hub for spares if needed.
The wheels were 26” x 1-1/4” 40 spoke rear and 32 front. I really wanted to fit the correct Dunlop Special Lightweight rims but these are rare as hens teeth. I attended Bike Jumbles and everyone I spoke to was also wanting them and having no luck. After about a year of looking a front 32 hole stainless one turned up on e-bay and I paid a large sum to get it, it arrived with its original factory wrapping paper still on it.
A few weeks later a rear chrome 40 hole one also NOS showed up and I grabbed that too and that was also still in its original wrapping. At a glance they look identical though stainless has a slightly different colour to the expert eye. The wheels are away being built and I am so pleased to have the correct rims. The chrome parts on the bike do have some corrosion on the visible surfaces but it is not too bad and white vinegar is eliminating the rust, with an oil coating they will be acceptable for re use. All the bearing surfaces are good and will be fine with new balls.
The Bottom Bracket is fine and I also have a NOS replacement set of Cups and Axle if needed.
I found a correct set of rat trap pedals also on e-bay.
Current state of play is the frame has to go to the re-finisher but with the Covid-19 situation I am not able to take it to them. This may change after July 4th when new rules come into play.


Humber Beeston Clubman as obtained.

Pinch bolt type Headset.

Original SA Wheel Wingnuts are all present as also all the mudguard (fender) quick release wing nuts/bolts.


Bike with correct Bars, Stem, Brake Levers & Trigger Shifter fitted.


Bike Stripped and parts treated for re use.

Better view of bike parts showing correct Brakes and Pedals. Saddle has been well treated with Brooks Proofide and I hope to get to good enough condition for re-use.

This is the Sturmey Archer AM Hub, designed for Clubman Bikes. The Planet gears are duplex and need to be timed during re-assembly otherwise they are destroyed when the bike is ridden.

This is the GC2 Trigger Shifter only produced in 1948 & 1949.

This is the GC2 that I obtained NOS.

Humber Beeston Catalogue 1948 Model 325 Literature/Specification.
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Old 06-29-20, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by capnjonny View Post
Any old Rudge fans on this list. You may have seen the one I posted a while back. I just posted a request for an appraisal on the What's it worth page.

The Silicon Valley Bicycle Exchange has one that a member has fixed up somewhat. We want to sell it but aren't sure of it's value . It should probably be in a museum , but with different pedals and brake pads could be ridden.
I hope you find a good home for it. It is a museum piece. I have never seen a pre-Raleigh Rudge for sale here in the U.S. Hard to value something so rare.
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Old 06-29-20, 11:34 AM
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10 years ago I refurbished a 1958 Phillips for a friend for the Lake Pepin tour. This year she was selling the bike; I had built up wheels for it using CR18s as the originals were shot; $125.00 that she wanted seemed too cheap to me! Another friend was looking for a cheap bike for his girlfriend- I pitched this one to him and after a look-see, he thought it might work. He spend a lot of time cleaning the bike and was astonished at shiny everything looked. He and some friends always thought my 'professor' bike ('72 Superbe) was a bit on the nerdy/funny side (which I'll readily admit) but after riding the Phillips this weekend he came back with an entirely different viewpoint! He loved the ride quality (Kendas, FWIW), the ease of shifting and the overall charm of the machine. Enough so that he is thinking of getting one for himself! I'm trying to get a photo since he shot one after polishing it up.

This weekend I realized that the original shift cable on my Superbe was fraying inside the shifter due to corrosion of the last 48 years. So I built up a new cable, using a standard shift cable, some tiny brass tubing I got at Ace Hardware for the cable ends and the adjuster sleeve. A bit of small diameter heatshrink did the job for the cable covering as it goes past the pulley. I crimped the brass tubing on the cable once I had everything assembled. On the shifter end I also applied solder. On the adjuster end, prior to crimping the tubing I filed the tubing so there would be less friction with the adjuster when adjusting the cable tension. Finally I added a bit of grease so it would move easier. The new cable works great and looks the part.
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Originally Posted by Salubrious View Post
10 years ago I refurbished a 1958 Phillips for a friend for the Lake Pepin tour. This year she was selling the bike; I had built up wheels for it using CR18s as the originals were shot; $125.00 that she wanted seemed too cheap to me! Another friend was looking for a cheap bike for his girlfriend- I pitched this one to him and after a look-see, he thought it might work. He spend a lot of time cleaning the bike and was astonished at shiny everything looked. He and some friends always thought my 'professor' bike ('72 Superbe) was a bit on the nerdy/funny side (which I'll readily admit) but after riding the Phillips this weekend he came back with an entirely different viewpoint! He loved the ride quality (Kendas, FWIW), the ease of shifting and the overall charm of the machine. Enough so that he is thinking of getting one for himself! I'm trying to get a photo since he shot one after polishing it up.

This weekend I realized that the original shift cable on my Superbe was fraying inside the shifter due to corrosion of the last 48 years. So I built up a new cable, using a standard shift cable, some tiny brass tubing I got at Ace Hardware for the cable ends and the adjuster sleeve. A bit of small diameter heatshrink did the job for the cable covering as it goes past the pulley. I crimped the brass tubing on the cable once I had everything assembled. On the shifter end I also applied solder. On the adjuster end, prior to crimping the tubing I filed the tubing so there would be less friction with the adjuster when adjusting the cable tension. Finally I added a bit of grease so it would move easier. The new cable works great and looks the part.
I never thought of the heat shrink tubing. Great idea. I do have a time saving trick that works well making these cables. I cut the length of 3/32" brass tubing with a file. Then I use JB Weld to attach the tubing to the cable. Then I put a very slight crimp in the tube before the JB Weld sets. That way it doesn't depend on adhesion to hold it in place. The cable has a corrugated surface so the hardened glue will never slip and the slight crimp keeps the hard JB Weld from slipping past. With only a slight crimp in the tube, you don't have to bother filing it smooth so the adjuster barrel spins freely around it and the other end fits nicely in the trigger shifter. Plus there's no need to solder.
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Old 06-29-20, 07:08 PM
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Robin Hood for 60$

Hey Yall,
Long time no see!
saw this Robin Hood on the CL for 60 bones and thought somone may have an interest.
portland or: https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...147938001.html
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Hey Yall,
Long time no see!
saw this Robin Hood on the CL for 60 bones and thought somone may have an interest.
portland or: https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...147938001.html
I just sent him an email :-)

Thanks!
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Hey Yall,
Long time no see!
saw this Robin Hood on the CL for 60 bones and thought somone may have an interest.
portland or: https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...147938001.html
Shogun and RH are worth the asking in a New York second.

edit 'Maybe' the Shogun?
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The Robin Hood was a bit of a mess, indicator chain broken off in the axle, and its an AW, no coaster brake, so there are no brakes on the bike.
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Old 06-30-20, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
The Robin Hood was a bit of a mess, indicator chain broken off in the axle, and its an AW, no coaster brake, so there are no brakes on the bike.
Did you buy it? I think I have a pair of steel Raleigh calipers around here that are yours for shipping.
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Originally Posted by dweenk View Post
Did you buy it? I think I have a pair of steel Raleigh calipers around here that are yours for shipping.
I didn't, thanks for the offer!
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Nice! And cheap! Looks like a 23" frame. Rare silver/blue color. Seller didn't really try to find tires.

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Could this be a Lenton? Hard to tell through the grime.

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Could this be a Lenton? Hard to tell through the grime.
Lentons had a different crank, pedals and wheels (the lack of an alloy hub in the front is a bit of a giveaway). This looks like a 60's Sports with Dynohub, dropped bars and a Brooks B17. Of course if it were a Lenton it would say so. The last of the Lentons is the 'Lenton Marque Three' which looks a bit more colorful than what you see on the downtube.
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Originally Posted by PeterLYoung View Post
I was given this bike by a gentleman in his eighties who told me he bought it new in 1948. He no longer can ride it and as I restored bikes he offered it to me for free. After taking a look at it I made him take a payment for it, a token payment really but fair as it was going to cost a lot to restore.

The Humber Beeston Clubman is the rarest of the trio of Clubman bikes made by Raleigh, the other two are the Lenton Clubman and the Rudge Aero Clubman.
It had a Sturmey Archer AM Medium Ratio 3 Speed but he said it had failed at some point and the bike shop swopped the innards for an AW Wide Ratio unit.
The bike had been adapted as he got older and the dropped bars changed for Straight Bars and the brakes changed for later Raleigh design as the originals had the fixed length with nipples both ends and the cables were obsolete. Also the rat-trap pedals were replaced with rubber tread ones. The 26” x 1-1/4”. Dunlop Special Lightweight rims were shot having been dented and rusted.

So really I only had a frame, crank set and hubs (SA Casing for rear). From which to restore his bike to original condition.

The frame had been over-sprayed, covering the transfers in a thin film of blue paint. Fortunately there was enough present to photograph and dimension all the transfers to get new ones made. Lloyds made me a new set so I can get the frame refinished and transfers replaced.
The original bars and stem had been long discarded and the stem being the clamp type I had little hope of finding one, luckily and guy in Canada had a correct bars and stem and was happy to sell and ship to UK, fortunately they are in nice condition
The brakes were also tricky as for the Humber Fork Crown they have a special ferrule to fit between the crown plates, I bought several old sets from e-bay and between them I managed to make up a decent correct set. I have also managed to obtain some correct NOS cables.
The 3 Speed trigger on the bike was a mid-fifties type, not correct for 1948 . After much searching I obtained a NOS Model GC2 Trigger which was only made between 1948 & 1949, very rare as NOS.
I found a Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed hub on e-bay but when I stripped it one of the planet gears and the axle sun gear were stripped, Colwood Wheelworks who happen to be close by supplied the damaged parts so I could rebuild it. In this 3 Speed the planet wheels have to be set using timing marks when re-assembling and this probably was the cause of the damage. I now also have a spare AM 3 Speed hub for spares if needed.
The wheels were 26” x 1-1/4” 40 spoke rear and 32 front. I really wanted to fit the correct Dunlop Special Lightweight rims but these are rare as hens teeth. I attended Bike Jumbles and everyone I spoke to was also wanting them and having no luck. After about a year of looking a front 32 hole stainless one turned up on e-bay and I paid a large sum to get it, it arrived with its original factory wrapping paper still on it.
A few weeks later a rear chrome 40 hole one also NOS showed up and I grabbed that too and that was also still in its original wrapping. At a glance they look identical though stainless has a slightly different colour to the expert eye. The wheels are away being built and I am so pleased to have the correct rims. The chrome parts on the bike do have some corrosion on the visible surfaces but it is not too bad and white vinegar is eliminating the rust, with an oil coating they will be acceptable for re use. All the bearing surfaces are good and will be fine with new balls.
The Bottom Bracket is fine and I also have a NOS replacement set of Cups and Axle if needed.
I found a correct set of rat trap pedals also on e-bay.
Current state of play is the frame has to go to the re-finisher but with the Covid-19 situation I am not able to take it to them. This may change after July 4th when new rules come into play.


Humber Beeston Clubman as obtained.

Pinch bolt type Headset.

Original SA Wheel Wingnuts are all present as also all the mudguard (fender) quick release wing nuts/bolts.


Bike with correct Bars, Stem, Brake Levers & Trigger Shifter fitted.


Bike Stripped and parts treated for re use.

Better view of bike parts showing correct Brakes and Pedals. Saddle has been well treated with Brooks Proofide and I hope to get to good enough condition for re-use.

This is the Sturmey Archer AM Hub, designed for Clubman Bikes. The Planet gears are duplex and need to be timed during re-assembly otherwise they are destroyed when the bike is ridden.

This is the GC2 Trigger Shifter only produced in 1948 & 1949.

This is the GC2 that I obtained NOS.

Humber Beeston Catalogue 1948 Model 325 Literature/Specification.
Thanks for posting this.
I like te see the ongoing progress of these projects.
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Not cheap, but looks very nice. And my size.

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BSA 3 speed hub

Bought myself a NOS BSA 3-speed hub a few days ago.
The thread on the axle of the original one in my 1954 BSA Tourer was badly damaged when I bought it many years ago, but finally failed completely last month, and nearly lost its nut.
The damage can be seen in the picture below.
So I am pretty happy I found a new one, as these things are very hard to find over here...
As an added bonus: it has a longer axle.

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Thought I'd share this here for you all. Neat old Hercules step through for sale.

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Originally Posted by oldveloman View Post
Bought myself a NOS BSA 3-speed hub a few days ago.
The thread on the axle of the original one in my 1954 BSA Tourer was badly damaged when I bought it many years ago, but finally failed completely last month, and nearly lost its nut.
The damage can be seen in the picture below.
So I am pretty happy I found a new one, as these things are very hard to find over here...
As an added bonus: it has a longer axle.

Peter
I would try to salvage the bad one by rethreading it to a smaller size for modern hardware, I wouldn't rule out imperial threading if metric die sizes are too big or too small, but it is likely difficult to find any imperial thread cutting equipment over there.
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Originally Posted by oldveloman View Post
Bought myself a NOS BSA 3-speed hub a few days ago.
The thread on the axle of the original one in my 1954 BSA Tourer was badly damaged when I bought it many years ago, but finally failed completely last month, and nearly lost its nut.
The damage can be seen in the picture below.
So I am pretty happy I found a new one, as these things are very hard to find over here...
As an added bonus: it has a longer axle.

Peter
I'm surprised the axle thread failed and not the nut. Try to clean the old axle with a thread file. Axle nut's shouldn't be to hard to get
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I just had an axle nut fail on me a couple of weeks ago when I switched tires. That sickening feeling of tightening but nothing happening. I was scared it was the axle, but just the nut.
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Just sold my Superbe, 23”...don’t miss it...gained a lot of room! I can now work on the three road bikes that have been stuck behind it!
Just two DL-1s and one Dunelt girls bike left and then no more old ass Raleighs!
I get my shop back!
By next Thursday I will have been offered and will have brought home at least two more old ass Raleighs!
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Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
I would try to salvage the bad one by rethreading it to a smaller size for modern hardware, I wouldn't rule out imperial threading if metric die sizes are too big or too small, but it is likely difficult to find any imperial thread cutting equipment over there.
I was thinking the same, but there' s not much metal left. Axle diameter is also smaller than the Sturmey- ones.

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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
I'm surprised the axle thread failed and not the nut. Try to clean the old axle with a thread file. Axle nut's shouldn't be to hard to get
The nut is in fairly good condition. Finding a spare one will be near impossible, as these hubs are pretty rare over here, so the only option will be making a new one, if this one fails...

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