For the love of English 3 speeds...
10-12-20, 03:51 PM
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Looks like a '61 Grand Prix and everything you've noted is likely true.
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/mo...ton-gp.105188/
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/mo...ton-gp.105188/
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A Tale of Three -Three Speeds. When I was much, much younger, a kid really, I so wanted a fancy three speed bike. Shiny and handsome with the shifter and hand brakes it looked so much nicer than my old single speeds and I imagined how fast I could go on one of them. Motor vehicles soon captured that passion and interest and bikes other than my utile 12 speed MTB were pushed to the side for 50 years. In the last ten years many 3speeds have been restored and sold but three remain as part of family here at One Browns Lane. The two English cousins, Raleigh and Robin Hood and their aristocratic counterpart, the Royal Nord President from Belgium albeit it having a English drive train from Brampton (Birmingham).
Each has its own personality from the sporty lively feel of the Robin Hood to the heavy smooth roll of the Raleigh Tourist and the stately, almost regal feel of the Royal Nord. First time photographed together.
Each has its own personality from the sporty lively feel of the Robin Hood to the heavy smooth roll of the Raleigh Tourist and the stately, almost regal feel of the Royal Nord. First time photographed together.
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Beauties, all three! A fine collection!
10-13-20, 07:24 AM
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Will unscrewing the adjustable race cause the bearings to fall out? Presumably I'll need to do this over a sheet of cardboard to catch everything that drops out. And I just need to disassemble the top race not the lower headtube race correct?
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Looks like a '61 Grand Prix and everything you've noted is likely true.
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/mo...ton-gp.105188/
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/mo...ton-gp.105188/
This matters in what I do with the bike. I am tempted to part it out if it is two or more bikes put together.
10-13-20, 07:48 AM
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I haven't removed a fork before, the Sheldon Brown website says the procedure is to invert the bicycle, unscrew the lock nut, unscrew the threaded bearing race, and lift the fork out of the frame.
Will unscrewing the adjustable race cause the bearings to fall out? Presumably I'll need to do this over a sheet of cardboard to catch everything that drops out.
Will unscrewing the adjustable race cause the bearings to fall out? Presumably I'll need to do this over a sheet of cardboard to catch everything that drops out.
10-13-20, 08:48 AM
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Can anyone tell me what to look for in FM 4-speed hubs to see whether they can be swapped with a steel AW hub?
10-13-20, 09:42 AM
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Also a rare earth magnet helps (i.e. something really powerful). I usually open it up slightly and try to suck on the bearings out with the magnet. It is also a very good idea to count them when you take them out and put them back in. There should be the same number both top and bottom.
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Also a rare earth magnet helps (i.e. something really powerful). I usually open it up slightly and try to suck on the bearings out with the magnet. It is also a very good idea to count them when you take them out and put them back in. There should be the same number both top and bottom.
10-13-20, 11:15 AM
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Agreed, but that doesn't necessarily mean that is the actual number you have. I found that my Royal Scot was missing a few. Probably a previous restoration which wasn't me. 
10-13-20, 02:46 PM
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wheelset 26x1 3/8 alloy w/ 3 spd IGH
hello,
does anyone know where I can find a wheelset for 26 x 1 3/8 (590) w alloy rims & 3 spd Internal Gear Hub? the steel ones are around, but I would really prefer alloy...
Harris Cyclery does not seem to stock them...
Thanks!
Chris
does anyone know where I can find a wheelset for 26 x 1 3/8 (590) w alloy rims & 3 spd Internal Gear Hub? the steel ones are around, but I would really prefer alloy...
Harris Cyclery does not seem to stock them...
Thanks!
Chris
10-13-20, 04:24 PM
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Alloy rims in 26" by 1 3/8" have become rare. Wheels were not made with the 3 speed hub AFAIK. Anywhere I've seen them the shop built them up. Sun got out of that rim size; we're all hoping they'll make more...
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oh you misunderstood. I'm planning on using the hub of an AW with the FM internals. But I'm not sure this hub even makes that possible.
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I screwed the internals from a S5 five speed sturmey into an AW hub shell and it works well, my hunch is that the FM will do the same, I did find info on Sheldon Brown's website that said my "swap" was possible, there a good chance that you can find similar info on his website.
10-13-20, 07:29 PM
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FM hub shell is same size as AW/AM/FW.
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10-14-20, 05:27 AM
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10-14-20, 06:22 AM
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Well, the reason I am asking is this:
Forum.cyclinguk.org
I recall seeing pictures showing the differences somewhere but I can't find them anymore.
Though I do enjoy the idea of unscrewing the ball cup this way:
Post by robc02 » 19 Apr 2018, 7:22pm
rjb wrote:Can you remove the innards from a Sturmey Archer 1953 4 speed fm hub in an alloy shell and transplant into a steel aw shell? The fm is a 40 hole and i wish to put it in a 36 spoked wheel. If it is possible what else do i need to consider.
No, unless it's an old shell with a threaded ball cup and you replace the AW one with an FM one. The difference between them can be seen here:
https://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/safm.pdf
https://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/saaw.pdf
The later type AW has a pressed in ball cup:
https://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/saaw.pdf
rjb wrote:Can you remove the innards from a Sturmey Archer 1953 4 speed fm hub in an alloy shell and transplant into a steel aw shell? The fm is a 40 hole and i wish to put it in a 36 spoked wheel. If it is possible what else do i need to consider.
No, unless it's an old shell with a threaded ball cup and you replace the AW one with an FM one. The difference between them can be seen here:
https://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/safm.pdf
https://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/saaw.pdf
The later type AW has a pressed in ball cup:
https://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/saaw.pdf
I recall seeing pictures showing the differences somewhere but I can't find them anymore.
Though I do enjoy the idea of unscrewing the ball cup this way:
I have managed to remove them by inserting a large nut and bolt through the axle hole and fastening it good and tight! I then hold the nut in a vice and turn the wheel by its rim. This has the effect of tightening the nut against the hub shell and usually the ball cup loosens before the nut and bolt slip. I have a UNF bolt that just about fits through the axle hole.
10-14-20, 10:52 AM
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I am sending pics of my latest folly.
I bought this bike on eBay. According to my research, the frame is clearly set up for a 10 speed deraileur, but it has ea1 wheels, a 55 AW rear hub laced 3 cross, the front wheel is laced radial. Both wheels have wingnuts on the axles. The jockey wheel clamp partly covers the 531 decal(no braze on for the jockey wheel).
It has an elegant willams style single ring crankset. There are no obvious marks from either a front or rear deraileur on the frame. It has a serial number on the bottom bracket xy and 4 digits.
I assume this was put together from two or more bikes, unless raleigh assembled a bunch of bikes from old inventory for export to generate cash flow.
I bought this bike on eBay. According to my research, the frame is clearly set up for a 10 speed deraileur, but it has ea1 wheels, a 55 AW rear hub laced 3 cross, the front wheel is laced radial. Both wheels have wingnuts on the axles. The jockey wheel clamp partly covers the 531 decal(no braze on for the jockey wheel).
It has an elegant willams style single ring crankset. There are no obvious marks from either a front or rear deraileur on the frame. It has a serial number on the bottom bracket xy and 4 digits.
I assume this was put together from two or more bikes, unless raleigh assembled a bunch of bikes from old inventory for export to generate cash flow.
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Apparently SJS still stocks house-branded alloy 590 rims:https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/rims-26-590/
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10-14-20, 11:20 AM
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Are you saying that it is possible or even likely, that a bike shop sold this bike more or less as it is now in 61,62, and that Tube Investments sold a miss mash of stuff into the US market, after they acquired Raleigh in 1960. For instance I have seen Blue Streaks with Raleigh fork crowns, mine doesn’t have one.
This matters in what I do with the bike. I am tempted to part it out if it is two or more bikes put together.
This matters in what I do with the bike. I am tempted to part it out if it is two or more bikes put together.
Raleighs were sold (under the Raleigh name) in well established bicycle shops and many parts and pieces were usually ordered and kept on hand. Just because the bicycle was cataloged a certain way did not mean that it was necessarily "sold" that way. Raleigh dealers were ready and willing to help you customize your bicycle. This was a time when Customer Service actually mattered and was not like walking into a big box store or sadly, a modern bike shop.
The frame is a good frame. The parts you have are good parts. It just needs a little help with the bars and brake levers. The frame is a desirable frame and the 55 SA AW hub with wing nuts is a desirable hub. Witha few tweaks, you can have a fine rider. And cleaned and polished up, it also makes a fine piece of ridable art .
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10-14-20, 03:54 PM
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Thanks to all for your input. I am hoping to restore it.
also per the hub swap discussion sounds like I could put fw internals in the existing hub and it need to rebuild the wheel.
also per the hub swap discussion sounds like I could put fw internals in the existing hub and it need to rebuild the wheel.
10-16-20, 09:13 AM
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Fw hub?
I found a fw hub for auction on eBay.
It looks like the indicator chain is broken, and it has a threaded driver. Can I combine my 55 aw and this 50 fw into a working hub with a modern driver or will I need an fw chain, and an fw driver.
It looks like the indicator chain is broken, and it has a threaded driver. Can I combine my 55 aw and this 50 fw into a working hub with a modern driver or will I need an fw chain, and an fw driver.
