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30W motor oil
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https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=..._from=&_ipg=50
Fill it up with generic 20 weight motor oil and you're good to go.
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Sheldon Brown recommend Phil Wood Tenacious Oil and after using it for a year in the oil ports of various Raleigh's I swear by the stuff.
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Sheldon Brown recommend Phil Wood Tenacious Oil and after using it for a year in the oil ports of various Raleigh's I swear by the stuff.
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I got one of the needle bottles of Hoppes with the intention of filling it with Phil's Tenacious when the Hoppes runs out...
https://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Precisi...pr_product_top
https://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Precisi...pr_product_top
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I got one of the needle bottles of Hoppes with the intention of filling it with Phil's Tenacious when the Hoppes runs out...
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Phil Wood oil seems to self clean better by allowing grit to flow out while still maintaining lubrication and maintains its consistency over time. When I tried using 30W motor oil, it had a tendency to gunk together unless flushed periodically with fresh oil. I don't know why exactly Sheldon Brown recommended it in the first place, but after use, the Phill Wood oil does seem quite a bit better than standard motor oil.
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I dunno; I have seen people here on this forum and elsewhere swear by it. As for me; I'm a great deal more pragmatic and don't get hung up on "name brands for name brands' sake" deal.
Another needle oiler [with oil in it] that looks very interesting to me is below and I particularly liked what the two reviewers had to say about it's performance in cold weather; and what this guy says about it's "mixability":
"This is good oil for general usage as well as specific applications.
This oil seems to work well with grease and I have not found any ill affects when the two are mixed.
I also lean more towards it when winter arrives as it's thinner than most oils I use and have used it during the Northern Nevada/Sierra winters."
https://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pi...z-Needle-Oiler
Another needle oiler [with oil in it] that looks very interesting to me is below and I particularly liked what the two reviewers had to say about it's performance in cold weather; and what this guy says about it's "mixability":
"This is good oil for general usage as well as specific applications.
This oil seems to work well with grease and I have not found any ill affects when the two are mixed.
I also lean more towards it when winter arrives as it's thinner than most oils I use and have used it during the Northern Nevada/Sierra winters."
https://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pi...z-Needle-Oiler
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Many thanks to all of you.
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I dunno; I have seen people here on this forum and elsewhere swear by it. As for me; I'm a great deal more pragmatic and don't get hung up on "name brands for name brands' sake" deal.
Another needle oiler [with oil in it] that looks very interesting to me is below and I particularly liked what the two reviewers had to say about it's performance in cold weather; and what this guy says about it's "mixability":
"This is good oil for general usage as well as specific applications.
This oil seems to work well with grease and I have not found any ill affects when the two are mixed.
I also lean more towards it when winter arrives as it's thinner than most oils I use and have used it during the Northern Nevada/Sierra winters."
https://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pi...z-Needle-Oiler
Another needle oiler [with oil in it] that looks very interesting to me is below and I particularly liked what the two reviewers had to say about it's performance in cold weather; and what this guy says about it's "mixability":
"This is good oil for general usage as well as specific applications.
This oil seems to work well with grease and I have not found any ill affects when the two are mixed.
I also lean more towards it when winter arrives as it's thinner than most oils I use and have used it during the Northern Nevada/Sierra winters."
https://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pi...z-Needle-Oiler
It doesn't really matter that much what oil you use as long as you don't use one that tends to dry/thicken or gum up. This isn't a 15,000RPM high-performance engine we are talking about here. It goes around pretty slow, and the parts inside are not meshing with extremely high tolerances. There is almost no heat to deal with and the loads put into the hub are minimal in the grand scheme of things.
As far as detergent/non-detergent it doesn't make a flying flipping difference in this situation.
Mobil-1 off the automotive shelf makes for nice quiet hub. There is no need to spend lot of time or money sourcing and buying specialized fancy oil. A 1-qt bottle of Mobil-1 will set you back about $5 and last a lifetime of rebuilding 3-speeds much less simply riding them.
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With just the coaster brake, I don't have a problem bringing the bike to a halt. However I don't ride at a breakneck pace either. Mine is the S3C hub, and I beleive that's the one that Sheldon Brown disliked. If memory serves, I beleive he stated that the coaster brake (S3C) was subject to impromptu breakage. I'm sure Sheldon was a much more aggresive rider than I, and as I said before, I have no problem with it. I'd never recommend anyone disable their front brake, in fact my Kool Stops are an attempt to improve the front brake.
I really love to ride this bike and hope to ride Lake Pepin with it next year!
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Toe in the leading edge of your front brakes and you may eliminate the squeal.
I can see one advatage for the coaster on an old 3-speed. You have a good brake for the rain.
As I understood it, Sheldon's objection to coaster brakes was the chain failing and having no other brake, as many older single speed bikes did not.
I can see one advatage for the coaster on an old 3-speed. You have a good brake for the rain.
As I understood it, Sheldon's objection to coaster brakes was the chain failing and having no other brake, as many older single speed bikes did not.
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It doesn't really matter that much what oil you use as long as you don't use one that tends to dry/thicken or gum up. This isn't a 15,000RPM high-performance engine we are talking about here. It goes around pretty slow, and the parts inside are not meshing with extremely high tolerances. There is almost no heat to deal with and the loads put into the hub are minimal in the grand scheme of things.
Is it getting chilly up there in Chi-Town yet? We've by-and-large had a cool summer down here in the Southern Piedmont.
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With just the coaster brake, I don't have a problem bringing the bike to a halt. However I don't ride at a breakneck pace either. Mine is the S3C hub, and I beleive that's the one that Sheldon Brown disliked. If memory serves, I beleive he stated that the coaster brake (S3C) was subject to impromptu breakage. I'm sure Sheldon was a much more aggresive rider than I, and as I said before, I have no problem with it. I'd never recommend anyone disable their front brake, in fact my Kool Stops are an attempt to improve the front brake.
But my 3-speed riding is generally recreational with an occasional grocery, drug store or auto parts store run thrown in.
So the reason I asked the question about the coaster brake is that I'm considering building a "Poor Man's KB2" by putting one of these...
https://hubstripping.wordpress.com/20...coaster-brake/
...on one of these...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Thruster-7...-Bike/17206771
...to approximate one of these...
https://www.torkerusa.com/bikes/commute/2012-kb2-
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My broad point in posting the two pics of needle oilers is simply that they [needle oilers] are, IMO, an essential piece of gear for this pursuit
Seriously the needle bottle is ( yawn) cool but this miniture grease gun is the cat's pajamas! Now can refill my BB and Headset on the road...whooppiiiii
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I hear ya. I'll hit the big 6 oh! in a few months and I definitely don't rag it like I used to. In fact, when I shined, oiled and tensioned up my trusty old 10-speed [yes virginia, I'm that old], a Panasonic Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2, and took it for a blast at the beginning of the summer here, it finally occurred to me that I should get a helmet LOL.
But my 3-speed riding is generally recreational with an occasional grocery, drug store or auto parts store run thrown in.
So the reason I asked the question about the coaster brake is that I'm considering building a "Poor Man's KB2" by putting one of these...
https://hubstripping.wordpress.com/20...coaster-brake/
...on one of these...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Thruster-7...-Bike/17206771
...to approximate one of these...
https://www.torkerusa.com/bikes/commute/2012-kb2-
But my 3-speed riding is generally recreational with an occasional grocery, drug store or auto parts store run thrown in.
So the reason I asked the question about the coaster brake is that I'm considering building a "Poor Man's KB2" by putting one of these...
https://hubstripping.wordpress.com/20...coaster-brake/
...on one of these...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Thruster-7...-Bike/17206771
...to approximate one of these...
https://www.torkerusa.com/bikes/commute/2012-kb2-
A few years ago I was looking for a 2sp Bendix to do a similar project. Sometime during that period I got hooked on Sturmey Archer 3sp's. Ended up buying the one pictured at an antique shop for $65.00. And, coincidently I've been considering a new style Sturmey Archer dynamo hub for the front.
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Toe in the leading edge of your front brakes and you may eliminate the squeal.
I can see one advatage for the coaster on an old 3-speed. You have a good brake for the rain.
As I understood it, Sheldon's objection to coaster brakes was the chain failing and having no other brake, as many older single speed bikes did not.
I can see one advatage for the coaster on an old 3-speed. You have a good brake for the rain.
As I understood it, Sheldon's objection to coaster brakes was the chain failing and having no other brake, as many older single speed bikes did not.
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The Kool Stops do a great job, they do squeal though. After they break-in I expect them to quiet down a bit.
With just the coaster brake, I don't have a problem bringing the bike to a halt. However I don't ride at a breakneck pace either. Mine is the S3C hub, and I beleive that's the one that Sheldon Brown disliked. If memory serves, I beleive he stated that the coaster brake (S3C) was subject to impromptu breakage. I'm sure Sheldon was a much more aggresive rider than I, and as I said before, I have no problem with it. I'd never recommend anyone disable their front brake, in fact my Kool Stops are an attempt to improve the front brake.
I really love to ride this bike and hope to ride Lake Pepin with it next year!
With just the coaster brake, I don't have a problem bringing the bike to a halt. However I don't ride at a breakneck pace either. Mine is the S3C hub, and I beleive that's the one that Sheldon Brown disliked. If memory serves, I beleive he stated that the coaster brake (S3C) was subject to impromptu breakage. I'm sure Sheldon was a much more aggresive rider than I, and as I said before, I have no problem with it. I'd never recommend anyone disable their front brake, in fact my Kool Stops are an attempt to improve the front brake.
I really love to ride this bike and hope to ride Lake Pepin with it next year!
FWIW my wife prefers coaster brakes. When I convert her bikes over to the S3C I just leave the hand brakes on it for backup.
Also if you are getting squeal from the pads try toeing them in a bit, it won't completely eliminate it, but will reduce it.
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Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"_krazygluon
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RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"_Nicodemus
"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"_krazygluon
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Here you go:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=..._from=&_ipg=50
Fill it up with generic 20 weight motor oil and you're good to go.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=..._from=&_ipg=50
Fill it up with generic 20 weight motor oil and you're good to go.
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Picture update. I added some raleigh fenders to the bike. They are a great fit and look great. Bikes turning into a bit of a rat rod bicycle.