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Old 03-13-10, 08:42 PM
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Help: Ten spd->single speed

i have a old dawes that im riding ringle speed because i got it without a rear derailleur. does anyone know how i can remove the ten speed cog(or whatever its called) and just keep one speed if anyone know what im talking about and has any advice im greatful for it. thanks for spending time and looking at my post
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You can take it to a bike shop and have remove the old freewheel and put on a single speed one.
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yea but i was hoping to do it myself. i was just wondering what tools i needed. and if it was possible to remove the other 9 speeds from the cog
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Originally Posted by hwdxbassist
yea but i was hoping to do it myself. i was just wondering what tools i needed. and if it was possible to remove the other 9 speeds from the cog
Hold it for a second... You have an "old" Dawes with a 10sp cassette? Are you sure it is not one of the new mail order Dawes bikes? Aluminum frame? Does it have integrated brake levers/shifters?
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Oh, good catch. I thought he meant 10 speeds total!
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Modern Dawes with ten gears one the rear? Go to your local Performance Bike and pick up their "single speed kit". Something like $22-25.00. And don't remove the brakes!
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Originally Posted by sykerocker
Modern Dawes with ten gears one the rear? Go to your local Performance Bike and pick up their "single speed kit". Something like $22-25.00. And don't remove the brakes!
Does that "kit" deal with the vertical dropouts?

Based on the fact that the OP is in the SF bay area, I would suggest that he picks a derailleur or 2...
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There are more than a few single speeds rolling in the SF Bay area.
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this may help

https://sheldonbrown.com/singlespeed.html
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+1 Take it to the shop of your choice. The cost of tools for a one off job just does not make sense.
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the bike was made in 65. i dont know what intergrated brake levers/shifters are?
anyone?
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Originally Posted by hwdxbassist
i dont know what intergrated brake levers/shifters are?
They are simply brake levers that also function as shift levers too. You can see the extra lever for shifting behind the main brake lever.

Shimano calls them STI levers:


Campagnolo calls the ergo levers:



As far as your Dawes is concerned: Special bike tools are only cost effective if you use them over and over, just something to consider. You probably have a 5 speed freewheel in the rear, some lbs charge 3-5 dollars to remove them. Freewheels can be a real bear to remove sometimes. You would need a good vice and the correct freewheel puller.

This is one of many freewheel pullers. The tooth shape varies depending on which brand your freewheel is.


You insert the freewheel puller into the front of the face of the freewheel then clamp it in place with the quick release lever so it does not slip. Then place the flats of the freewheel tool into your vice and clamp it down. At this point your wheel is horizontal in the vice. Grab the wheel and turn to loosen the freewheel from the hub like this:




It's a decent amount of effort... I think the lbs is a very good option. You will probably need to get your rear wheel re-dished to get a good chainline too.
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Here is the way that I do it...

https://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe...troduction.htm

The part of wheel conversion is two or three pages into the article. Hope it is a help.
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Originally Posted by sykerocker
Modern Dawes with ten gears one the rear? Go to your local Performance Bike and pick up their "single speed kit". Something like $22-25.00. And don't remove the brakes!
Sounds like it is a freewheel, but for free hubs, you are absolutely right. I've used the Performance kit on two bikes and it works like a charm. No singleator/derailleur necessary if you work with the gears and chain. And, some slack is preferable for SS.
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Originally Posted by hwdxbassist
the bike was made in 65. i dont know what intergrated brake levers/shifters are?
anyone?
Maybe my memory is getting bad, but I don't remember any bikes from 1965 that had 10 cogs on the rear (you said you wanted "remove the other 9 speeds from the cog".) I just remember 5-speed freewheels. Maybe your bike is from a parallel universe. Head over to Single Speed an Fixed Gear and ask there. Seriously, if you want to convert a '65 Dawes to single speed, make it a fixed wheel, keep all the bits you take off and don't cut anything off the frame. As you get older, you'll begin to appreciate vintage bikes and may want to put it back as it was originally.
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I didn't read this thread too carefully, but OP may need to clarify what he has.

Freehub or freewheel? (and just curious--how many cogs on the cassette or freewheel?) You'll need to know if you want to buy the tool you'll need to remove it. If it's a freehub, singlespeeding is easy, though you still have to have some idea what you're doing. If it's a freewheel, it's a little more tricky to do well.

Vertical or horizontal dropouts? If vertical, you may need a chain tensioner.

If the bike really is 1965, then it wouldn't be a freehub in the original wheel, and the frame would have been respaced. And to do a SS freewheel you technically may have chainline issues (though I think a lot of people just slap on a freewheel and go with no short-term chainline problems).

In any case, unless you are starting a new hobby of wrenching, take it to a shop. You'll need at least to take the wheel to a bike shop in order to get the right tool to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by OLDYELLR
Maybe my memory is getting bad, but I don't remember any bikes from 1965 that had 10 cogs on the rear
whoops i ment the 4 other ones, it is a 5 speed freewheel. i do someday want to restore this bike. its a piece of art and history. but right now i dont have the money to fully restore it.

oh and the my ten speed article helped a lot!

i think im going to keep everything the way it is and just get another wheel in the back thats a single speed or fixed. this rear wheel is too nice to possibly mess it up. it has 27 x 1 1/4 Rigida Chrolux Chromage Superieur rims.
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Originally Posted by hwdxbassist
whoops i ment the 4 other ones, it is a 5 speed freewheel. i do someday want to restore this bike. its a piece of art and history. but right now i dont have the money to fully restore it.

oh and the my ten speed article helped a lot!

i think im going to keep everything the way it is and just get another wheel in the back thats a single speed or fixed. this rear wheel is too nice to possibly mess it up. it has 27 x 1 1/4 Rigida Chrolux Chromage Superieur rims.
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OK, at the risk of adding more confusion to what you're doing, you've got 27" wheels, which was the American standard back then. The standard nowadays is 700c (always been the standard in Europe), which is slightly smaller. Obviously mixing the two is going to make the bike lean backwards slightly. Your best course of action is to have someone do you a single speed wheel on a 27" rim. The alternate is to go with a 700c FG/SS pair - more expensive, but probably easier to find in a local bike shop. And make sure your brakes are long enough to reach the smaller diameter wheel. Either way, you'll be happy with the result
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Originally Posted by hwdxbassist
i think im going to keep everything the way it is and just get another wheel in the back thats a single speed or fixed. this rear wheel is too nice to possibly mess it up. it has 27 x 1 1/4 Rigida Chrolux Chromage Superieur rims.
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You should look more into converting it back to a geared bike. Geared bikes are great in a hilly place like SF. If you really are intrested in learning to wrench you could learn alot but working on it yourself. Check out the bike mechanics section of bike forums and sheldon browns website get some books out of the libary, ones with lots of pictures, bicycling magazine makes a great one, I learned a ton just from reading it.

I haven't spent much time in the bay but i'm sure there are bike co-ops that have open shops. I found one in about 2 seconds on google https://missinglink.org/Pages/classes.html a learning workshops could help you learn to set your bike up the way you want. It appears there is one just devoted to geared bikes in april.

Alot of these place get donated parts and i'm sure they would have cheap older deraulers that might not be period correct but would work. For the cost of a decent rear ss wheel you could find all the cables deraulers and shifters you need plus learn to set them up right.

A properly set up road bike is possibly the best transportation in the entire world, learn to wrench it and you will always have a way to get from point a to point b with a smile on your face.

post some pics if you can all us geeks get off on that kind of thing and we could probably offer you some sage advice on how to set it up.
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DAWES GALAXY 65


here it is when i got the bike it was full of rust everywhere. and the tires were done for. but everything else is original
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thanks for the advice. reading books definitely helps. and this co-op will also
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This reminds me of the argument in "A Scanner Darkly" about how there are only 7 gears on a bike, and how that damn "negro" must have stolen the other 3 gears... lol
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you should put some bar-end shifters on it, and some bar tape.

cool bike btw.
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What part of the bay area are you in? If you're close to me (mt. view), I'll show you what you need to do to convert to ss. I've done it a few times. I may even have some cheap parts that will work, depending ...

I agree with whoever said "take it to your local shop" or whatever, because the tool to remove the freewheel cost the same as the removal fee. And you'll want to ask for a BMX ss freewheel.

But if you want to save your wheel for later restoration, buying another wheel or wheelset is a very good option. I got a fixie/ss wheelset for $75 on cl, and the fixie cog worked for me. Hard to do better than that. I added a BMX freewheel later, so I can flip the wheel. Sometimes people will sell just the rear.
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