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Old 10-19-17, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NJgreyhead
Is this for aesthetic reasons, or is there a practical reason?
It allows equal access from the tops (hoods) as from the drops.
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Finally got this '72 Super Course rolling over the weekend. This was quite a learning experience! Probably the most difficult build I've done so far, as well as the most rewarding.
As found, lots of the components were seized, rusty, or broken, so I made a few alterations. A Sturmey Archer AW-3 in the back, a new (cheap) Sturmey Archer dynohub up front, laced to Sun CR-18 rims, 35c Paselas. IRO crankset, Velo-Orange fenders and rack. GB randonneur bars, Carlton levers, tye-dyed cotton tape.




It still needs some tweaks, such as crimping the chainstays, the fork needs some aligning, I'd like some new MKS platform pedals, I have to find better lights, I'll probably change out the bar tape, and I think it needs a white saddle. But for now, I love how this frame rides, and it fits the best out of any I've ever ridden. The randonneur bars are amazing, too - I guess I'm a fan of shallow drops!

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[MENTION=395146]tiredhands[/MENTION], what do you have to do to the fork?
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Originally Posted by noglider
[MENTION=395146]tiredhands[/MENTION], what do you have to do to the fork?
Some noob (me) didn’t realize how much force it would take to free a siezed stem. It’s only a few mms out of alignment, so it should be ok to carefully pull back. I hope!
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Originally Posted by noglider
It allows equal access from the tops (hoods) as from the drops.
A lot of this comes down to personal preference, and riding style. If you were really going to be racing, you would be down in the drops, and want the levers positioned lower, for better access. Conversely, I see folks with the lever bodies up at a 45 degree angle. Probably fine for riding on the ramps or hoods, but useless for braking from the drops.
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Originally Posted by tiredhands
Some noob (me) didn’t realize how much force it would take to free a siezed stem. It’s only a few mms out of alignment, so it should be ok to carefully pull back. I hope!
Straightening forks is tricky. There are three measurements: length (from crown to dropout), offset, and left-right.
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Picking up the thread where it left off!

I yanked on the fork a few times and got it straightened out. Not perfect, but it tracks straight. Wired up the dynamo, went to reinstall the rear wheel and found out that the SA AW hub had blown up: bent axle, broken lock washers, and disintegrated axle key. Swapped in a fixed wheel while I figure out what to do and I gotta say - it's nice. Real nice. Not sure if it's par for the course, but the classic 3 speed hub has been a massive pain to get working, with this recent failure only the latest issue. That and the GB rando bars don't offer a lot of space for the trigger shifter, and they look so clean without it. I've got some thinking to do, but for now I'm enjoying the ride.

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That looks really nice, [MENTION=395146]tiredhands[/MENTION]. Is that the Eyc headlight? I put one of those on my wife's bike. It's there for unanticipated need, so I haven't really tested it well. I notice I could see it very well, but I didn't test it for seeing by.
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Originally Posted by noglider
That looks really nice, [MENTION=395146]tiredhands[/MENTION]. Is that the Eyc headlight? I put one of those on my wife's bike. It's there for unanticipated need, so I haven't really tested it well. I notice I could see it very well, but I didn't test it for seeing by.
Thanks! It is an Eyc, the 50 lux version. I like it a lot, it has a nice two-stage throw for near-field as well as distance. But I'm used to cheapo lights, so anything's an upgrade. And it's so small!
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The Eyc seems like a best value in so many ways. It does seem to cast a serious beam, the price is reasonable, and it's so small. My wife asked me where her light is, because she didn't see it at first. There doesn't seem to be any downside to the small size.
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I just received a package today, containing the 25.5" 1970 Raleigh Super Course that I bought as an early birthday present. I knew the paint was rough based on the photos, and had plans to repaint it next season anyway (I already bought replacement decals)... But I am rather disappointed with the variety of scuffs and scratches. However, it's the bike I wanted and just the right size to cast a commanding silhouette - unlike later frames, the top tube on this one measures 23.5" center-to-center. I wanted this particular lug set after realizing that it was only used until around 1970 along with the centennial headbadge, and after seeing it used on a beautiful Carlton Corsa Strada frame set (albeit that was butted tubing).

It came with funky Sunrace shifters and derailleurs, but I already have some Huret Jubilee stuff that I plan to switch out for that. It does have some nice Weinmann concave rims laced to Avocet hubs, which were almost certainly not original to the bike in 1970 - but I love the concaves so that's a plus! I also recently received a a neat Milremo stem, and just got the black Bluemels fenders in today as well. I just sat them over the wheels for the sake of the photos.

Anyway, my birthday isn't until October and I will be putting it back in the box and waiting patiently until next winter, when I plan to do a rather fresh restoration. I did not even bother to tighten everything down and ride it, because it all seems to be in working order (however, they got the derailleur cables linked up to the wrong sides of the shifters) This is as far as It'll get for the time being.

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Good call on retaining the chromed crankset, it really goes with the look of the frame imo.


That's the longest GB stem I've seen, and the frame's angles seem to have a seattube set back at 70 degrees instead of the 73 degrees on the 23" frames.
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Originally Posted by dddd
Good call on retaining the chromed crankset, it really goes with the look of the frame imo.


That's the longest GB stem I've seen, and the frame's angles seem to have a seattube set back at 70 degrees instead of the 73 degrees on the 23" frames.
I had not noticed the seat tube angle but I believe you're right. That's interesting! It may account for the unusually long top tube - usually they kept them around 22.5" despite the larger frame size, as on my later 25.5" Super Course.

The idea of the final build will be to reflect the popular configuration of club bicycles c. 1960, which are among my favorites. I am trying to sell a couple of other machines right now to purchase a proper bike from that period (which will probably sell before I can gather the funds) but with the Super Course I'll get to be creative. So the cottered crank set will absolutely stay!

The GB stem is actually only 110mm. It looks disproportionately long because I stuck it so far down the steerer, methinks. The Milremo I got to replace it is 95mm.

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Kilroy1988 - What an unusual Super Course. Prugnat 62S lugs instead of the usual Nervex or Capellas. A squared off brake arch support instead of the graceful wire bridge usually seen and a unique semi-wrap seat stay cap treatment. Looks like Raleigh did a model switch out, perhaps a Longfellow? to get the tall frame size? You are going to have a very cool finished product.
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Originally Posted by bertinjim
Kilroy1988 - What an unusual Super Course. Prugnat 62S lugs instead of the usual Nervex or Capellas. A squared off brake arch support instead of the graceful wire bridge usually seen and a unique semi-wrap seat stay cap treatment. Looks like Raleigh did a model switch out, perhaps a Longfellow? to get the tall frame size? You are going to have a very cool finished product.
Good morning! My research indicates (including a couple of bikes previously shown in this thread) that the Prugnat lugs were used on many or all of the Super Courses from the model's introduction in 1968 until 1970. According to the catalogs, 1970 would be the first year for the 25.5" frame size, suggesting that that's the model year for mine.

Also, after realizing that it doesn't have a derailleur hanger, I've decided to make it into a fixed/single speed in the spirit of my favorite British "road/path" bikes of earlier decades. The wheel set happens to fit my 1980 Raleigh Super Course 12 frame, which I was in need of new wheels for anyway after a hub busted on me. So I'll be restoring them together next winter and am looking forward to that, indeed!

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(p.s. The lugs are not quite as crisp as most 62S lugs I've seen during my research. They have less flare in the small cut outs and the points are not pronounced. This is the case even on a couple of nice Carlton frames. Is there another model of Prugnat lug that these might be?)

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Kilroy1988 -

I had seen Prugnats on the Super Course MK II but never on the earlier Root Beer and Bronze Green ones. Prugnat had extensive options for the socket finishes and this may be one of the variations? Looking forward to seeing both SCs finished.
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Here is the latest configuration of my Super Course, circa April 2018. The big change is a brand new Selle Anatomica X2 saddle in vintage. It wasn't intended for this bike, but the modern bike I bought it for is still evolving, so I thought I'd mount it to my SC to get used to it and dial in the tension. Only a couple of short rides on it so far, so I'm still tweaking. The cork bar tape is fairly new as well. Mecanically, the whole crankset/BB is changed to ditch the cotters but still stay contemporaneous. An NOS Suntour freewheel with 34T granny gear rounds out the changes.

I need to get a better saddle bag and I'm pretty sure I'll be mounting Velo Orange hammered fenders sometime this summer.
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I couldn't help myself as I debated whether or not I was going to paint the 1970 Super Course, so I began throwing it together with the components I plan to use and cleaned up the paint a bit. It has numerous serious scratches and chips, but a majority of the paint still shines in a way that would be hard to replicate without expensive paint and plenty of effort. I've decided to put the new decals I purchased over the original paint and then put it back together. The inspiration for my handlebar/stem combo, the top tube pump, and fenders are late Raleigh Super Lentons and other models from the late 1950s that were advertised with "continental" handlebars in the catalogs.

I have Huret Jubilee derailleurs on another bike that I will switch over to the Super Course. I'm excited to get it on the road as a truly vintage rider! Nothing new or refurbished here, so less to worry about!

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Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
I couldn't help myself as I debated whether or not I was going to paint the 1970 Super Course, so I began throwing it together with the components I plan to use and cleaned up the paint a bit. It has numerous serious scratches and chips, but a majority of the paint still shines in a way that would be hard to replicate without expensive paint and plenty of effort. I've decided to put the new decals I purchased over the original paint and then put it back together. The inspiration for my handlebar/stem combo, the top tube pump, and fenders are late Raleigh Super Lentons and other models from the late 1950s that were advertised with "continental" handlebars in the catalogs.

I have Huret Jubilee derailleurs on another bike that I will switch over to the Super Course. I'm excited to get it on the road as a truly vintage rider! Nothing new or refurbished here, so less to worry about!

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Good call on keeping the original paint. A little careful touchup will fix those bad spots. Is that your artwork on top of the dresser?
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Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
Good morning! My research indicates (including a couple of bikes previously shown in this thread) that the Prugnat lugs were used on many or all of the Super Courses from the model's introduction in 1968 until 1970. According to the catalogs, 1970 would be the first year for the 25.5" frame size, suggesting that that's the model year for mine.
(p.s. The lugs are not quite as crisp as most 62S lugs I've seen during my research. They have less flare in the small cut outs and the points are not pronounced. This is the case even on a couple of nice Carlton frames. Is there another model of Prugnat lug that these might be?)
Those aren't Prugnat lugs, though - they are Bocama No. 14 Pattern II. Raleigh used something like a Bocama 80/II on a lot of 70s Grand Prix bikes. It's a cool lugset - Allegro used them from around 1960 until around 1974.
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Originally Posted by jj1091
Good call on keeping the original paint. A little careful touchup will fix those bad spots. Is that your artwork on top of the dresser?
Hopefully I can find something to touch it up with down the road! For now I'll wax it, let it dry then throw those decals on. Yes, that's my artwork. In fact, those are the first three landscape paintings I've ever done! Did them last year, just pulled them out to examine before I start on a couple more.

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Those aren't Prugnat lugs, though - they are Bocama No. 14 Pattern II. Raleigh used something like a Bocama 80/II on a lot of 70s Grand Prix bikes. It's a cool lugset - Allegro used them from around 1960 until around 1974.
Thank you! A mystery (in my mind) is solved. Great to know.

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Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
Yes, that's my artwork. In fact, those are the first three landscape paintings I've ever done! Did them last year, just pulled them out to examine before I start on a couple more.
Nice work. I'm an artist, as well, nearly all landscapes. I don't do as much as I should, but hopefully now that I'm retired I'll get back at it. What I se of yours is very good work, and if you're only just starting, you'll be quite an accomplished painter.
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Originally Posted by jj1091
Nice work. I'm an artist, as well, nearly all landscapes. I don't do as much as I should, but hopefully now that I'm retired I'll get back at it. What I se of yours is very good work, and if you're only just starting, you'll be quite an accomplished painter.
Thank you! I appreciate that. My younger brother is the painter in the family and I practically avoided canvases until recently, perhaps because I did not want to step on any toes. However, he's into surrealism and modern art while I'm a much more traditional fellow. Painting and sketching has turned out to be one of the most relaxing things I've started doing - it's rather like gardening without the sweat.

Do you have any of your work available to view online? You can see my work at the Deviant Art profile link below. The paintings are there in higher resolution. Cheers!

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My 73 just finished
see my build thread elsewhere, My 73 Super Course Co-Op save.

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My 73 just finished. see my build thread elsewhere,
Very nicely done. PM sent recently.
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