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John Bull brake pads? or modern ones that will fit old Raleigh brakes?

Old 03-29-10, 07:13 PM
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John Bull brake pads? or modern ones that will fit old Raleigh brakes?

I have an old made by Raleigh ladies bike, from 1954.

the brake pads were shot, and so I was trying to replace them with regular modern brake pads, but the post on the modern pads was too wide to fit in the slots on the old brakes.

Thoughts? Solutions?
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Rod or cable? Old Roads is the first place I think of for rod-brake pads.
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If I am not mistaken (and somebody here will surely correct me if I am),
Kool Stop makes a brake pad insert for vintage Campagnolo brake pads that will insert in the older Raleigh and similar steel brake pad mounts.

https://www.koolstop.com/brakes/index.php

They also make a pad called "The Continental" farther down the page that is supposed to be a direct replacement for these types of pads, without the chrome holder. I believe some of our English 3-speed nuts have used them and like them. I am planning to get a set each for my wife's 1949 (Phillips) Indian Princess and 1960 Hercules sports 3-speeds.

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Coreyk, I've got Continentals on my '78 Sports, and they're great. The pads on the Sports weren't original, so the holders were already gone. That said, if the OP's talking about rod brakes on a roadster (28" tires, etc.) Continentals won't work. The pads on rod brakes contact the inside of the rim, not the sides. Hence the raised center ridge to protect the spokes.
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Old 03-29-10, 09:03 PM
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I'm running these on my Phillips roadster, much better than old dried out shoes it came with. Tim https://www.bikepartsusa.com/bikepart...?item=01-90442

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Old 03-29-10, 09:41 PM
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If KoolStop makes a salmon colored brake pad for your application, buy it.
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Originally Posted by coreyk View Post
i believe some of our english 3-speed nutters have used them and like them.

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You can find John Bull replacement pads (using the same old holders). What model # pads are on there now?

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Thanks a lot guys (OP here). the brakes aren't rod brakes, but old side pull brakes. I"ll try koolstop
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Good luck, rustmyrtle. I've heard they do a great job on the steel rims. Let us know how they work for you.

gna, thanks for the tech assistance.

Bernard, I assumed from the original post that they were sidepulls. I have both.

Chotoeau, how do those Pyramid shoes work? If they're any good for your application, I have a 1950s Phillips double-bar roadster here with original John Bull brake shoes. They are pretty darn hard by now, and could use replacing...



The ones on the DL-1 are still decent, thank goodness.



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I just widened the slot with a taper reamer. You could use a file or a drill bit instead.

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We used a drill and widened it--worked perfectly!
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Originally Posted by Coreyk View Post

...I have a 1950s Phillips double-bar roadster here with original John Bull brake shoes. They are pretty darn hard by now, and could use replacing...



The ones on the DL-1 are still decent, thank goodness.



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We need more pictures of these bicycles.
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Sorry for the delay, Corey K, the shoes work better than the old dried up ones it had on, and WAY better than the Flying pigeon ones I tried.... Have to ride and use'm to see how long they last tho... Tim
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Okay, that's good to hear, choteau. I took the steed out for a run about 4 days back and got caught in a downpour. All thought of these things *actually being brakes* went out the window! I'll see about the Pyramids.

GNA, I'll get some pics together this weekend and post them in a new thread.

Rustmyrtle, please keep us posted on how the Kool Stops work for you.

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Originally Posted by gna View Post
We need more pictures of these bicycles.
Rustmyrtle, this includes you--we need pictures of your Raleigh, too.
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