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They're baaaack...Bottecchia that is

Old 03-29-10, 10:54 PM
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They're baaaack...Bottecchia that is

https://italiancyclingjournal.blogspo...ua-sapone.html

"The Acqua & Sapone team presentation was held on Monday, January 18, 2010 in L'Aquila (AQ). The team has dropped De Rosa and will be riding Bottecchia bikes for the 2010 season. Nice to see a great name in the races again.

My understanding is that the "SP9" model will be used by the team".

Unfortunately it would appear from the team pictures (not the one shown) that they are using ShimaNO Dura Ace. Oh well. The SP is available pretty much any way you want so a Super Record version is as easy as coughing up the $14,000 or so and having them ship it over from across the pond since the don't distribute it here

What's with the Fulcrum wheels??? (Oh yeah, made by Campagnolo but a couple thousand dollars cheaper).

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Old 03-29-10, 11:12 PM
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I had to double check to make sure I am in the right forum.
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Another bike re-badged for Bottecchia? I thought they already did enough of that in the '70s.



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Originally Posted by abarth View Post
I had to double check to make sure I am in the right forum.


While I think that most CF bikes are cool, I'm struggling to find something unique about this. I'm not really seeing anything that sets it apart from the vast majority of other CF race bikes.

Pinarello & Merckx have that wavy fork & stay thing going on...
Orbea has that unique seat clamp
Colnago's are just plain cool, no matter what...
Kuota's have kind of their own thing happenin'...
Felt has that down tube dealie...

These are just what comes to mind that have something unique. But Giant, Trek, Specialized, Focus, Fuji, et al, are just rather plain to me.

Not that I'm trying to piss on your parade...

I'll tell ya, if I had $6K (or more) to drop on a high end race bike, I'd have a REALLY hard time trying to decide!
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OK guys, the point was simply that Bottecchia is sponsoring professional racing again. Nothing particularly unique about any of the modern carbon fiber bikes. They're all pretty much the same.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Another bike re-badged for Bottecchia? I thought they already did enough of that in the '70s.



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Actually that was in the 60's when Colnago's shop was building their racing bikes. They didn't sponsor any professional racing in the 70's until the SCIC team in '78 and then they were using actual factory Bottecchias. They sponsored numerous teams in the 80's and those bikes were generally real factory Reparto Corse Bottecchias as well. Some of Lemond's bikes in the '89 Tour were rebadged as was common with top professionals but the team bikes and the red and white funny bike that Lemond rode to victory in the final time trial were Reparto Corse Bottecchias. From the late 70's to the mid-90's Bottecchias were available custom built from their Reparto Corse. And they are again according to their website.
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OK guys, the point was simply that Bottecchia is sponsoring professional racing again. Nothing particularly unique about any of the modern carbon fiber bikes. They're all pretty much the same.
Oh! OK, I get it now... COOL!

In all seriousness, it is good to see them back in the game again.
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in fact, i believe about 90 percent of them are made in taiwan probably at the same facility.
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OK guys, the point was simply that Bottecchia is sponsoring professional racing again. Nothing particularly unique about any of the modern carbon fiber bikes. They're all pretty much the same.
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Graphite fiber bicycles! AHHH!!!! My eyes! I'm blind. Get that thing out of here!
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OK guys, the point was simply that Bottecchia is sponsoring professional racing again. Nothing particularly unique about any of the modern carbon fiber bikes. They're all pretty much the same.
Same thing with Gitane sponsoring Saur-Sojasun this year. While I wouldn't buy the bike, I do like following a team in which the sponsor has such a rich history.
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Teodoro Carnielli said that is totally bichen in a far out way...and rad and gnarly.
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Originally Posted by Kommisar89 View Post
Some of Lemond's bikes in the '89 Tour were rebadged as was common with top professionals but the team bikes and the red and white funny bike that Lemond rode to victory in the final time trial were Reparto Corse Bottecchias. From the late 70's to the mid-90's Bottecchias were available custom built from their Reparto Corse. And they are again according to their website.
Not to pick nits; but i though Lemond's white-and-red funny bike was a Bottecchia Kronostrada; itself a rebadged Cinelli Laser.

I have watched the video of that race many times; and still find it neat that he turned in such a great performance on a Columbus steel frame bike with down tube shift levers and toe clips.

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Same thing with Gitane sponsoring Saur-Sojasun this year. While I wouldn't buy the bike, I do like following a team in which the sponsor has such a rich history.
I'd love to have a modern Gitane to go with my vintage one.
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Originally Posted by jhefner View Post
Not to pick nits; but i though Lemond's white-and-red funny bike was a Bottecchia Kronostrada; itself a rebadged Cinelli Laser.

I have watched the video of that race many times; and still find it neat that he turned in such a great performance on a Columbus steel frame bike with down tube shift levers and toe clips.

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Interesting - I've always heard that it was a Bottecchia Kronostrada but if that was a bike that Bottecchia was OEM'ing from Cinelli and rebadging as a Bottecchia that could very well be possible. If you could walk into a Bottecchia dealer and buy a bike that appeared to be a Bottecchia then most everyone would assume it was made by Bottecchia. The previous bikes from the 60's weren't ever sold as Bottecchias. They were custom built race bikes that were badged as Bottecchias and not available to the public. What you are describing is more akin to my Mazda B4000 pickup which is really a rebadged Ford Ranger but was sold by Mazda dealers. I'm not sure why they would do that though. At that time Carnielli had their own Reparto Corse shop building custom, built to order Bottecchia frames so I don't see why they wouldn't have built it themselves. Who knows though, maybe they didn't have enough demand to develop the in-house experience for time trial bikes.

Alas the only people who know all the details of Bottecchias are old retired Italians sitting in Cafes in Vittorio-Veneto sipping cappacino. And they don't speak English or have Internet access so unless somebody wants to volunteer to go to Italy to interview them we're stuck with incomplete information and speculation.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Another bike re-badged for Bottecchia? I thought they already did enough of that in the '70s.



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I thought Bottecchia built a lot of bikes that were sold under the brands of others, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by jhefner View Post
I have watched the video of that race many times; and still find it neat that he turned in such a great performance on a Columbus steel frame bike with down tube shift levers and toe clips.

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No toe clips, that was his shoe strap - both Lemond & Fignon (and most of the the peleton) were on clipless pedals by then.
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I like the old ones.

I liked the old ones so much, I had to have two!
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I thought Bottecchia built a lot of bikes that were sold under the brands of others, not the other way around.
No, Bottecchia was the brand, Carnielli was the manufacturer. Carnielli sold bikes under a variety of brand names. In the 60's Molteni-Bottecchia used Bottecchia badged bikes built by the Colnago shop (I won't say necessarily built by Ernesto Colnago 'cause that's a whole 'nother can of worms ).

I believe the list of brands produced by Carnielli includes Bottecchia, Graziella, Carnielli, Amica, Annabella, Roma-Sport, and the first Lemonds.

Every once in a while you see an odd combination of a bike with Bottecchia decals but a Graziella head badge.
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It looks a lot like a newer Pinarello (Prince I think?), which is also rebadged as a Merckx Somethingorother. Interesting how the legendary marques live on, even if it's perhaps through only one common model (and thus relevant to C&V, so thanks for sharing). Sure, some will find it preposterous that such classic names adorn something so horrifying as carbon fiber (or plastic, or however you choose to demean it). And yeah, it probably is mostly about marketing the way Schwinn and Motobecane are now nothing but the name, but I'm happy to see the preservation, particularly on the race circuit.

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