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When it rains it pours, the waterford deal is a no go...now time to pursue a Trek 710

Old 03-31-10, 09:55 PM
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When it rains it pours, the waterford deal is a no go...now time to pursue a Trek 710

I don't know if this one has been spoken for yet. The price is 350$ I'm going to try to negotiate unless it is super clean.

The guy selling the waterford told me to poop or get of the pot. I don't think it is too much to ask for a photo of a bike with an 1100 price tag. I asked for a phone number and he said nope...He wanted to meet and setup a time.

Something is not right about that scenario.
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Old 03-31-10, 10:15 PM
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I agree about the Waterford, sounds fishy.
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Old 03-31-10, 10:59 PM
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Nothing wrong with a 710.
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet View Post
He wanted to meet and setup a time.

Something is not right about that scenario.
Tell him to meet you with the bike somewhere busyish where you can sitdown and read a book. Also give a false description, you will either get to see the bike or it could be a waste or 30 minute.
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet View Post
I don't know if this one has been spoken for yet. The price is 350$ I'm going to try to negotiate unless it is super clean.

The guy selling the waterford told me to poop or get of the pot. I don't think it is too much to ask for a photo of a bike with an 1100 price tag. I asked for a phone number and he said nope...He wanted to meet and setup a time.

Something is not right about that scenario.
Waterford schmudderford! Trek Shrek!

Go with a real Paramount. This one can be your's for $1200. I'll even send more pictures and provide my phone number! I'll even let you drop by the house to see the real deal in person.

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I had a guy with a LeTour once refuse to send photos to me. He wouldn't name his price, he wanted to meet and deal "in person". I didn't have a problem with that, if I knew where we were starting from. I stopped messing with him when he started telling me how rare the bike was, that it was a collectors item, etc. I told him that it was really neither one and said the last LeTour I bought I paid $20 for.
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet View Post
The guy selling the waterford told me to poop or get of the pot. I don't think it is too much to ask for a photo of a bike with an 1100 price tag. I asked for a phone number and he said nope...He wanted to meet and setup a time.

Something is not right about that scenario.
While I agree 99% chance it is fishy, some sellers are just weird. So if you really want it, I would do things "his way". I have had a couple of weird sellers where the deal worked out fine, and I have had a couple where it didn't. In each case, it was do things their way or forget it. "Meet and set up a time" is not that unusal in Craigs List land. I see that maybe 10% of the time.

Depending how far away it is, I would just get in the car and drive. There are a lot of sellers out there that are clueless, refuse to take a picture, or return emails or phone calls. I always figure it is my last interaction with the idiot. But realize if you do chase after it, it could be something else, the wrong size, the wrong model, damaged, etc. One great thing about the tough to deal with sellers is that they are tough for anyone to deal with. So sometimes, you can work out a very favorable deal, with cash in hand, as the seller is unlikely to get anyone else that is interested.

That's how I got my Colnago. Very difficult to deal with, but ultimately the seller needed cash now, to pay the rent. So all of a sudden, the deal came together. Ended up dealing with the guy's sister.

If you decide to go after the Trek, $350 for a 710 is an attractive price IMHO.

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$350 for a Trek 710 is light years better than $1100 for a Waterford "Paramount". The Trek 710 was sold only as a frameset (db 531 everything) so you might find an eclectic build.
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"The guy selling the waterford told me to poop or get of the pot. I don't think it is too much to ask for a photo of a bike with an 1100 price tag. I asked for a phone number and he said nope...He wanted to meet and setup a time".

Now let's see; He wants you to go to a set place at a set time and take cash with you? You have no proof even of the existence of the bike, not even a photo? Sounds like arranging for yourself to be robbed!

-Or is that just how it works in Britain? An acquaintance of mine 'won' a pair of unused Zipp carbon racing wheels on e-bay. Photo was a catalogue entry from a retail web site. Seller didn't take Pay pal because of "fees", wouldn't post the wheels because they might get lost, damaged and were hard to pack. Arranged to meet the buyer in a motorway service area car park at a set time of night. He arrived early and got in a conversation with a Police Patrol crew parked nearby and explained why he was waiting. The Police warned him it was likely this was a scam and arranged to move their Patrol car and observe the transaction. Sure enough, when the "Seller" arrived it was "let's have the cash and we'll get the wheels." When the buyer demurred, three more big Yardie types got out of the car as the buyer backed away slowly at first, then at a run being pursued across the car park when the Police collared two of the guys. The other two drove away rapidly and a radio call from the Police put another Patrol car in pursuit. Luckily the prospective buyer only suffered weeks of anxiety at the thought of giving evidence before he was informed that the suspects were being prosecuted for other more serious crimes.

You probably did the right thing to ignore that offer!
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Originally Posted by Oldpeddaller View Post
"The guy selling the waterford told me to poop or get of the pot. I don't think it is too much to ask for a photo of a bike with an 1100 price tag. I asked for a phone number and he said nope...He wanted to meet and setup a time".

Now let's see; He wants you to go to a set place at a set time and take cash with you? You have no proof even of the existence of the bike, not even a photo? Sounds like arranging for yourself to be robbed!

-Or is that just how it works in Britain? !
I have bought at least 20 bikes in the last year with this scenario. It really is not that unusual around here. Some sellers are not computer literate, or just plain lazy. They would rather just meet you somewhere and let you look at the bike. I typically meet at a grocery store or similar. The unusual part was that this was purported to be a rare bike, at a pretty high price. Hopefully sellers at this price level understand they have to do a little more work themselves.

I also had a recent Craigs List deal (2 weeks ago) where the seller left the bikes (five of them) outside in the yard with no one home. Told me it was OK to look at them, and if I liked them, just put a check in the mail box, as he "trusted me". We did not know each other, I had talked to him on the phone for maybe five minutes tops. I made the drive (it was a bit of a road trip), inspected the bikes, loaded them up, and put a check in the mailbox.

Maybe things are just a little different in my area.

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I sell my share of bikes on CL and always arrange to meet in the parking lot of a shopping center around the local bike shop. It's only about a 5 minute drive, but keeps people away from my home (there's a certain amount of spouse-freakage involved there). It also ensures that there's a ready source for helmet/pedals/whatever.

The LBS loves it because most of the time the buyer purchases something from them, even if it's just chain lube or a multi-tool. They know me pretty well (I was pretty much the only guy they saw during those long, cold, snowy winter days) and are familiar with the quality/price of my builds- I bring by pretty much everything I build for them to comment- so there's a common respect bolstered on occasion by a friendly supply of micro-suds.

When I started doing this, I figured anyone who was willing to commit to a particular place and time was a serious buyer. Results: never been stood up. NEVER. They usually are waiting for me when I drive up.
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I get alot of students as buyersfrom downtown and will meet them at the train station. They can then out it on the train and ride home, or if it is nice out they can make the 45 minute ride on their new bike.

That sais, the Wateford deal is definately wierd. I would need some proof the bike actually exists before I meet someone with $1100 bucks, cash.
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Hmm, maybe I need to rethink my methods of buying and selling.
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I made the drive (it was a bit of a road trip), inspected the bikes, loaded them up, and put a check in the mailbox.
And now he has your bank account number.
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