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Old 04-01-10, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chombi
Anyway, at least for me personally, I never saw the need to change over from DT to brifters because I do not need to make those fraction of a second gear changes that racers have to to keep up with the peloton, plus I just don't like the mess that additional cables and casings brifters and barend shifter adds to the front of the bike, lastly, brifters just "uglify" bikes.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
If there's one thing I hate, it's downtube shifter haters.

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I've only ever used DT shifters, and can't imagine using shifters in any other location except possibly brifters, since I spend 80+% of the time on the bottom of the drops; I brake with my index finger unless I have to brake extra hard in which case I move my hands up to the curved part of the drops, so I on't think brifters would give me fingertip shifting anyway. I don't see any advantage in bar ends for me either, since I would have to move my hand from the bar anyway. And I usually shift the FD with my right hand anyway, just by reaching through the frame.
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Originally Posted by sced
and Eddie what's his name?

I like em....nothing simpler.
To be fair, Eddy what's his name would probably be riding with 11 speed Ergos if he was racing today. Downtube shifters are lighter though so I suppose there are minor trade offs.
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Bar ends make it more difficult to shift both at the same time, it can be done though.
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I brake with my index finger unless I have to brake extra hard in which case I move my hands up to the curved part of the drops, so I on't think brifters would give me fingertip shifting anyway.
I wouldn't convert to brifters but my 99 peugeot came with veloce 9sp and shifting from the foredrops is easy with one finger, probably harder on trad. Bend bars though.
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Suntour bar/thumb shifters

Perhaps if you could find a pair of these your problems would be solved. As I remember they had a friction setting so you wouldn't have to worry about indexing. Use to come on late 80's GT Hybrid but I can't recall the exact group.
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Originally Posted by mkeller234
Bar ends make it more difficult to shift both at the same time, it can be done though.

If you need to shift both at the same time, you should probably HTFU. Otherwise, just man up and deal with it. I'll go from a slight decline to a 12% grade with only shifting the FD. Heck, even with my meanest hill, I'll still stay in the top ring. Probably has to do with the 26X36X48 rings I have with a 32X13 freewheel though...
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Originally Posted by mickey85
If you need to shift both at the same time, you should probably HTFU. Otherwise, just man up and deal with it. I'll go from a slight decline to a 12% grade with only shifting the FD. Heck, even with my meanest hill, I'll still stay in the top ring. Probably has to do with the 26X36X48 rings I have with a 32X13 freewheel though...

What?? Did I say shift to the granny gear? No, I didn't. IIRC shifting can go in two separate directions.

Aside from that, does that make my point invalid? No. I have all of the following, DT shifters, STI shifters and bar end shifters and I was simply making an observation. I know I am not the only one here who has used DT shifters to shift both at the same time. Now I do have another bike with bar ends on North road bars and I CAN shift both at the same time. No reason to hurl insults my way.

And explain to me why anyone should "just deal with it" when there are options out there? Oh, you don't like beach cruisers... Just deal with it.
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Originally Posted by mkeller234
I know I am not the only one here who has used DT shifters to shift both at the same time.
Nope, you're not. Front with my thumb, and rear with my middle finger. Uphill is a lot easier to do than down or accelerating.,,,,BD
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My own shifter innovation:

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Originally Posted by mickey85
beach cruisers?
Yes, I was illustrating my point. In a world of options would you tell someone to use their beach cruiser for a century and to "just deal with it". No, you pick what you like and what works for you. Same thing with shifters, there are many options so why should you "just deal" with one of them.

That was your whole response?
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
My own shifter innovation:

This is pretty awesome
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Maybe it's the scary thought of having those two shift levers always pointing at the jewels like sharp tines on a fork.......specially the ling thin ones made by Simplex.
Not to worry, when traveling at speed and striking a fixed object the body moves in a forward arch, sending the "jewels" far above the "tines". Been there....jewels still intact, still haven't found my tooth yet.

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When I wrecked my Centurion a few weeks ago, I went in an upward arch, but somehow my inner/upper left thigh managed to turn purple.,,,,BD
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That would be from the bars.....if your really moving, the forks fold, the wheel taco's and your face strikes the object seconds before your thighs reach the bars, thus eliminating most body bruising.....still, I'd like my toof back.
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Suntour Command Shifters. Check them out. Pricey for old shifters though.
But I'm with most of the rest. I love the look of DT shifters and don't really understand why people wouldn't like them. They are classic looking and function as well as anything out there. (friction DT is the ultimate in simplicity) I even dare to argue with the new, young "racers" out there saying that you lose an edge over ergo shifters and may get drop by the pack. LOL Most of the greatest racers ever used them just fine and they would still be able to keep up with anyone using ergos. If you don't like DT shifters on an old lightweight road frame, put on a straight bar and mountain shifters. I'm willing to bet you don't use your drops very much anyway.
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Originally Posted by Maddox
Can we get the 10 (or however many there are) Commandments posted somewhere, so we can see them all together?
We probably could, but those stone tablets are awfully hard to lug around. That's why Bob has some many racks on his bikes.
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I like downtube shifters, but i do think your bike looks pretty sweet, hernick.
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Originally Posted by coloneluw
I even dare to argue with the new, young "racers" out there saying that you lose an edge over ergo shifters and may get drop by the pack. LOL Most of the greatest racers ever used them just fine and they would still be able to keep up with anyone using ergos.
if you magically return all the top racers to the peak of their fitness and put them in a race,anyone with ergos would have a significant advantage. I have no problem with downtube shifters, but they are inferior for racing. That being said, the frame I'm currently working on is going to have downtube bosses on it; they are a good way to mount adjusters if nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Bikedued
Nope, you're not. Front with my thumb, and rear with my middle finger. Uphill is a lot easier to do than down or accelerating.,,,,BD
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For some shifts I also use FD with my thumb, RD pushing down with the palm of my hand. I always use my right hand for shifting, unless I need to tighten my FD friction screw while I'm down there.
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Originally Posted by mkeller234:
I know I am not the only one here who has used DT shifters to shift both at the same time.
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Bikedued: Nope, you're not. Front with my thumb, and rear with my middle finger. Uphill is a lot easier to do than down or accelerating.,,,,BD
I guarantee you I would either fall over, throw a chain, catch a finger on the wheel, or hurt myself.
My hat's off to you guys...
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I've posted this before: Miguel Indurain won the field sprint for second place in the '93 Worlds using downtube shifters (the one where Lance won on a solo breakaway). Indurain beat several known sprinters who were using STI and Ergo. That should be proof that using downtube shifters are more about the rider than the equipment. Downtube shifters are the easiest to set up, the most durable, the most reliable, and the coolest looking (ATMO). "People only hate what they don't understand."

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I've found STI is a PITA, unless I'm constantly on the hoods. From the drops the clicks are just out of reach, and I have to think too hard
about it. I not only prefer DT shifters, but friction on top of that. I'm not racing, so who needs it. The sad thing is that the industry has convinced much
of the population, that it simply cannot be done without STI/Ergo. Race technology often trickles down to consumer level products, and shifters are no exception.
I also have no doubt it increased the amount of people who ride due to the supposed simplicity, and greater sense of control. It's kind of a double edged
sword.

Last year I built a bike with bar end indexed shifters for a 23 yo woman. After the second time helping her adjust the detents via email, I finally convinced her to change
the rear shifter to friction mode just to "try it out".(Shimano switchable) She immediately liked it better, and found it much easier to operate.
I was both impressed, and pleasantly surprised. I was also a little proud that I converted someone to friction shifting, albeit to solve a problem.,,,,BD

Hey? How about friction brifters???? Sounds like a project for Rivendell or Velo Orange
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Ratcheting friction STI/Ergos would be great, and wouldn't require such a long throw.
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