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Old 07-05-16, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
I'm not in a hurry.

I've ridden a a current P650 and I didn't think it was any nicer than my El Mariachi I got rid of a few years ago.

My Yeti SB5C is the nicest mtb I've owned, so I have zero upgradeitis atm.

Yeti Cycles ? Bikes ? SB5c

A classic Ritchey mtb is in a separate category for me though and everyone that has one wants a mint for it.

I'll just bide my time and be patient.
The Ritchey would be one of the last I sell off.
I will soon be in a capital conversion mode. Too much portable property.
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Old 07-05-16, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
The Ritchey would be one of the last I sell off.
I will soon be in a capital conversion mode. Too much portable property.
I know of three classic Ritcheys here in the Twin Cities and I count two of the owners as friends.

They have been serious mtb guys for a very long time and have some really neat rides.

As for the portable property, I hear you loud and clear.

Once we get the boys out of college, I could see some very serious downsizing.

I simply have no clue how to get down to a handful of bikes though.

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Old 07-05-16, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Alberto would just subcontract them.
In thinking about the builders of Masi USA's past... Moulton is retired, Tesch and Baylis ( to be technical Brian did not build but assisted a lot) are gone. Mike Howard, Rob Roberson or Kirkbride would be the choices.
Rob would get my vote.
Keith Lippy (did I get that right?) as well?
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Old 07-06-16, 10:56 AM
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[QUOTE=auchencrow;10632115]I would agree that a Peugeot PY10 is superior to a PX10 - but higher in the hierarchy is no substitute for being an icon - burned into the popular conciousness - - And that's why I would list the PX10. . .

I found a 1970 PX-10 in the trash one day. It's my commuter, these days.
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Old 07-06-16, 11:26 AM
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When I read the title of the post, I think "Most Sought After" by the vintage hobby in general, not a personal grail bike. I think all of us have specific bikes that speak to us but most people either have no interest in, have never heard of them or they are out of our price range. The most sought after may not be the best bikes but, to me, are ones that most casual and hardcore vintage enthusiasts have heard of and would be easy to sell in most markets.

I would consider bikes such as Peugeot PX-10's, Schwinn Paramounts, Masi Gran Criteriums, Colnago Supers and Raleigh Internationals to be such bikes. All of these bikes seem to have an intrinsic or perceived value that allows them to sell for more than lesser known, but in some cases, better makes.
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Old 07-06-16, 12:01 PM
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Done and done, JM027 built for himself and toured on for 1000's of miles.

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Old 07-06-16, 12:02 PM
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PX10's are sought after because they were produced in vast numbers and people know what they are. In reality they were a bit cheap and shoddy. The intention was to offer a racing bike with the best possible performance at the lowest possible price. In that they succeeded. I am not dissing PX10's. I have had two, and the one I have now is my main ride -- for the moment at least.

Sought after and good are two different things. For example, certain Schwinn stingrays are highly sought after, and may well be worth more than an old custom bike from an obscure builder that no one has heard of, even though the latter may be 20x the bike.
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Old 07-06-16, 12:25 PM
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Is there really an answer to this question? I do not think so...most sought after is in the "eye of the beholder"...just like beauty...but, this has been a fun thread to read!
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Old 07-06-16, 12:38 PM
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Keith Lippy (did I get that right?) as well?
Yes, but Keith or Joe Starck I think are not at all interested in building frames again.
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Old 07-06-16, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
1) Mass market
2) Distinctive (Cyclocross, Mixte, Touring, some Mountain bikes..., etc)
3) Iconic (top of the line from a volume builder)
4) Exotic from a master builder (handmade in smaller production volumes of very high quality)
5) Historically significant
This is an interesting starting point, and for the purposes of this thread it certainly explains a lot about what makes certain bikes rise to the top.

If I may explore a tangent (not so much as criticism, but rather because I think this short list is quite useful and deserves refinement), I think (a) the "distinctive" category barely gets bikes out of the mass market category (if at all), and (b) the mass market category is really, really broad and deserves some sub-categories.

I think the "distinctives" should probably be a sub-category of mass market unless the bike fits under one of the other labels. For instance, a 1981 Specialized Stumpjumper is unquestionably historically significant and thus gets a big boost in desirability, whereas a 1989 Specialized RockHopper (while functionally identical) is an extremely run-of-the-mill mass market bike -- very useful and worth owning but zero collectible value. A similar argument can probably be made for each distinctive type.

The "mass market" label probably stings me personally a bit because it covers even my best bikes and lumps them with the worst of the worst. This is not to say that isn't appropriate in a discussion of "most sought after bikes" because it is, but to explore the topic just a bit deeper, I think it's worth unpacking this category for the sake of separating the wheat from the chaff in this largest segment.

For example, I currently own a 1981 Trek 614 and a 1973 Nishiki Olympic. I couldn't possibly argue that either of these bikes is anything but a mass market bike and yet the difference in quality between them is immense. The Trek was built with a Reynolds 531 main triangle and Ishiwata stays and forks. It came with decent quality SunTour components. The Nishiki is straight-up gas pipe (the bare frame alone weighs nearly 7 pounds) and came with entry-level (though entirely functional) Shimano components. Then there's the fact that the Nishiki is one of the more ubiquitous bike boom models to be found in barns, garages and landfills across the U.S.

As I indicated above, all of this is fairly irrelevant in terms of the "most sought after" C&V bike because neither bike even remotely enters the picture, but in terms of ranking the desirability of bikes I think there are some distinctions worth making. I know, I'm getting off topic, but it's a six year old thread so I feel like that's OK.


One last thought on these categories, I feel like the "iconic" category needs a bit more resolution. For instance, I currently own what I believe to be a 1979 Austro-Daimler A-D Team. This was a top-of-the-line frame, and AD was certainly a volume builder (unless you're marking a distinction between volume builders and mass market builders), but I don't think anyone would consider this bike "iconic". An AD Ultima (same frame with a nice component spec) might be slightly closer, but it's still fairly low on the iconic-o-meter.

I'm not sure what's missing there. Maybe it's the prestige of the volume builder in question. Maybe it's something intangible.
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Maybe not quite old enough, but I've always had a desire for a Merckx Leader. Probably my most impressionable era coupled with the fact that they're not rare enough that I'd be scared to ride it. A lot of the true grail bikes, I wouldn't want to actually ride.
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