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Bianchi Sport SS---maybe no Motobecane or Centurion?

Old 04-10-10, 04:36 PM
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Bianchi Sport SS---maybe no Motobecane or Centurion?

In my recent "HALP! Motobecane or Centurion" post I asked which bike would be better for the riding I listed there. Alot of great people responded and weighed in on both bikes with the Moto seeming to edge out the Ironman.

Well, I finally decided to call a guy who has the following bike listed on CL for over a month. Ad says very firm on the price and since I did not feel the bike was worth what he was asking (after much research here), I never called on it. But my trip to look at the Moto and Centurion got cancelled today (bike shop guy had dinner dates and I would not have made it in time) I went back to cruising CL and saw this ad again. What the heck, offer him less.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/1675759487.html

A phone call later and I have him down to 375. Not ideal, but better then his original. Is this a good price for this bike in this condition? More importantly, can anyone give me some idea of how this bike slots into the Motobecane/Centurion equation? Please read that post, if you havent already, here... http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...n-or-Centurion

From what I have read the Sport SS is more of a touring model? Japanese made so parts should be fairly easy to source over the years correct? So kinda the good parts of the Moto and some of the good of the Centurion? Hmmmm, sounds tasty.

Any info on this Bianchi would be great. Thanks!
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Your market is so different than mine. A bike like that would go for around $225 here. I would not consider it a touring bike. A touring bike would usually have a triple crankset up front, and cantilever brakes.

Does appear to be in great condition.

All original is a turn off for me. That means it has 25 year old tires, bearings and grease may not have been touched for 25 years, ditto cables. Some items on bicycles are consumables, and do not last that long. Which means they have to be addressed by the buyer. Would you be excited to find a car where the oil had not been changed in 25 years?

I really like Japanese bikes, I have several of them. And the use of common sized parts is always a plus. Lets see, my keepers right now include a Lotus, Miyata, Japanese Schwinn, and a Fuji. I also have one USA made bike (Trek) and an Italian bike. So yeah, I definitely like vintage Japanese bikes.

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Old 04-10-10, 05:56 PM
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I don't think originality means much of anything on a bike like this. That said, that Japanese Bianchi is a really nice bike, but all of its value lies in it being a rider. In many ways, then, the original tires and brake pads and such detract from the price.

Something tells me that guy needs $375 for something in particular. That doesn't mean it's worth what he's asking or what he'll accept. That Shimano group is really nice, though.
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Old 04-10-10, 07:19 PM
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nice looking Bianchi. I believe an 84 model. I don't think it came with a 600RD that must be a replacement part although period correct. the sport SS fell in line like the Sport SX that folled at the top of the 'sport' bikes. not really a recreational bike but a racer either. while this bike is very clean 445 is more than the orginal price and 375 still sounds like alot to me. OH 27" wheels too
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Old 04-10-10, 07:26 PM
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This is the first Bianchi I've seen with turkey wings...

(the Moto is a much better bike, btw)
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This is the first Bianchi I've seen with turkey wings...

(the Moto is a much better bike, btw)
some of the older lowerends had them. plus I just put some on my '86 Volpe
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
nice looking Bianchi. I believe an 84 model. I don't think it came with a 600RD that must be a replacement part although period correct.
that's a golden arrow (105; A105), no?

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The bike's in mint condition, but I'll bet it needs tires, brake pad resurface, regrease all bearings, cables and possibly a chain before it's rideable. Are you a mechanic?
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Just got back from a test ride. Beautiful bike, very clean. But you guys were right. It needs tires for sure and a tune with possible cable replacement. Rides very smooth but the shifting was off. 375 is just to high. And no I am definitely not a mechanic.

I had to walk away.

Oh well, there is still the wonderful Grand Jubilee to look at. May make the trip tomorrow. Thanks for all the input guys.

Turkey wings?
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Turkey wings?
aka brake lever safety extensions, aka suicide brakes

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Ohhhh...I kinda liked those. Is that bad?
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Ohhhh...I kinda liked those. Is that bad?
Yes that's bad.
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The Moto has it all over the Japanese Bianchi IMO.
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Originally Posted by EjustE View Post
that's a golden arrow (105; A105), no?

OH yes it is thats what I get for blogging after a few sidecars with dinner *blushing* still a nice looking bike but a bit over priced
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The price is way high for a low end Bianchi. That price will not sell in Seattle area. How much is the Moto?
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The moto is 250. Check the second link in my first post for pics and info.[/U][/U]
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personally I think if you are willing to spend 350 for that bianchi special this is worth a second look. this is either little used or someone spent alot of time cleaning it.

unless you really want a pre '90 bike there is a lot of nice looking bikes on that site that look like a great deal. there is a KHS and Bianchi Forza....


http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i...rrent=u004.jpg

the seller does incorrectly identify this frame as a Columbus tubed, it in fact should be tange Prestige or Ultralite prestige. i do not recall ever seeing a Columbus tubed Bianchi with these decals.
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Are you flexible on frame size? There is a Specialized Sirrus for $275 posted yesterday.
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Looks like the frame and the fork are Ishiwata Mangy:







Magny is not a very commonly seen Ishiwata tubing this side of the Pacific, and unlike the 019, 022 etc CroMo tubing material is a Manganese alloy (nothing to do with aluminum, btw ) and double butted, very much like Reynolds 531 (as a matter of fact, when Trek used Ishi tubing for their bikes in addition to Reynolds, a lot of their 531 frames had Magny stays.) Not quite 531, but higher quality IMHO than the later Tange superset (900 and 1000 mix) Bianchi Sport SX frames.

Bianchigirll, that Piaggio (Vespa ) sticker would make it an 82-83ish, correct?
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Looks like the frame and the fork are Ishiwata Mangy:







Magny is not a very commonly seen Ishiwata tubing this side of the Pacific, and unlike the 019, 022 etc CroMo tubing material is a Manganese alloy (nothing to do with aluminum, btw ) and double butted, very much like Reynolds 531 (as a matter of fact, when Trek used Ishi tubing for their bikes in addition to Reynolds, a lot of their 531 frames had Magny stays.) Not quite 531, but higher quality IMHO than the later Tange superset (900 and 1000 mix) Bianchi Sport SX frames.
Magny is a Manganese alloy steel while 531 is a manganese-molybdenum alloy. The 531 has a higher tensile strength than Magny. Even CrMo has higher TS than Magny. Due to the lack of strength, Magny has thicker wall than 531, so it also weights more. The Magny was a low end offering from Ishiwata. It is similar to Tange Mangalloy 2001.

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Hey guys, been busy so havent had time to respond to everyone. If you have been following my other thread you probably know by now that I picked up a Trek 400 Elance. Cant wait to get it and will post pics when I do.

Bianchigirl, your right. That is a sweet bike compared to the Sport SS. I actually didnt see it when I went to shop this weekend tho. Its still on his site so he must have it. Odd.

abarth, I never got a chance to look at the specialized you posted. Sorry man.

auchencrow....well, I like em anyway.
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