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Old 04-16-10, 08:03 PM
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I don't get it. Where would this Klenk guy possibly keep 2000 bikes? Weren't any of them reported stolen? Was there no attempt to restore them to their owners -- like a public announcement that a huge number of bikes had been recovered, identify yours and you get it back?
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There was an announcement and a lot of media coverage and there was a public showing of all the bikes in a couple of large warehouses---you could go down and take a look and, if you could somehow prove that a bike was yours, you could sign for it and take it home. I went down with a neighbour of mine and he actually found his bike, an old Canadian Tire cruiser type of bike, he'd had it stolen years before and I guess Igor never got around to selling it.

Igor rented garages around the city and kept bikes in there.

The public showing, in my opinion, was a cluster****. The cops didn't know a damned thing about any of the bikes and anyone with a little bit of knowledge and some loose morals could have talked them into proving that a bike was theirs. If I were a lousy person, I could have gone to the showing on a Wednesday, scoped out a nice bike that would fit me (the 59cm Dura Ace equipped Pinarello Montello that I saw, for example), write down the serial number and then come back on Thursday and say "Hey, do y'all know if there is a Pinarello in that pile somewhere? Here is the serial number for it, I wrote it down but it was stolen 5 years ago" and voila, you are the proud owner of a damned nice bike.

The reason that a lot of these bikes were not reported to the Toronto police as stolen is because they were stolen in other cities/towns and then re-sold here in Toronto. There is no database or anything like that between police departments for this type of thing. There were always rumours that Igor fenced bikes for thieves from Montreal and Quebec City, it wouldn't be that hard for him (or others) to fill a van full of nice hot bikes and drive from one city to the other.

When this story started, I posted on the Montreal CL that there was a public viewing of 3000 bikes and that if a person had had a bike stolen in Montreal that it might be in their interest to call the Toronto police with a serial number and see if their bike was in Igor's stash. I got a lot of emails and there were postings on the Montreal CL about it because no one there had heard about the story at all....total bummer and again, this shows that the cops didn't really do a good job of handling this situation. In their defense, I think they were overwhelmed by the number of bikes that they had to detail and catalog (if they indeed did catalog anythign) and there was a lot of media coverage on this so they had to act pretty quickly.

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Old 05-02-10, 06:19 AM
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Well, I and two helpers finished going through, sorting and repairing the stolen bicycles sent, from Toronto, to Thunder Bay. From the roughly three hundred sent, we managed to get 32 of them running without spending any money. There are another hundred bikes, approximately, that might be repairable with more time and money spent on the them.

Sadly, the biggest problem we ran into was a shortage of seat posts and wheels. Many of the bicycles sent to Thunder Bay were not fitted with seat posts and saddles. Many high end frame sets arrived sans wheels. And, even though there were spare wheels sent (about a hundred), few were found to complete bicycles.

Each of my helpers was rewarded for the twenty to thirty hours they invested to help get the bikes ready. They decided to choose mountain bicycles that we could not repair on the spot. As for me, I asked if I could have an old Ten Speed or two. I was particularly interested in an early eighties ALAN "Super Record" and a Saronni "Tipo Sprint", both fitted with Campy and both in pretty good condition.

My reward, which I worked out before getting into the work load, was my choice of any or all vintage bicycles. There were about ten that caught my interest and I brought home about eight of them. There are more out there but I am reluctant to drag stuff home that I doubt I will ever get to. So, three very old Raleigh Superbes (two males and one female frame) remain there, probably to rot in the forest. A rough but restorable Batvus Cambridge with drum brakes will rot right along side of them. Several antiques remain leaning against a shed, although I did salvage a very nice Victoria roadster with a SA two speed shifter and hub. Finally, about a hundred to a hundred and fifty old roadsters, Ten Speeds and the like sit, leaning against the back wall of the shed, once again with no purpose or destination intended.

Good intentions powered this project. Sadly, the entire effort was also fueled by ignorance. The people in charge had and still have little idea of what to do with all of the bicycles. The people who will be receiving the bicycles, probably do not want them nor are they trained enough to maintain the bikes. Again, the bikes will likely rot in the forests of North Western Ontario. Too bad but I did manage to get fifty repaired and salvage a few vintage pieces that I felt warranted salvage.

Pictures of the bikes I earned to follow.
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz View Post
If I were a lousy person, I could have gone to the showing on a Wednesday, scoped out a nice bike that would fit me (the 59cm Dura Ace equipped Pinarello Montello that I saw, for example), write down the serial number and then come back on Thursday and say "Hey, do y'all know if there is a Pinarello in that pile somewhere? Here is the serial number for it, I wrote it down but it was stolen 5 years ago" and voila, you are the proud owner of a damned nice bike.
That's where Italian ingenuity of never putting serial numbers on frames starts to make a lot of karmic sense

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I was really wondering why they want to ship bicycles all the way up to a town that doesn't have any roads going to it... as much as I love riding I don't think I'd bring a bike up to a fly-in community. I do hope the kids that get them have some fun with them at least.

At the community bike shop I volunteer at we're allowed to pick up the supercycles from the dump and it's pretty slim pickings around here right now. It's unfortunate that they spent all the time and money driving so many bikes so far away from the GTA when there are a few community bike shops around Toronto that have all the tools, experience and bins of spare parts to fix up bikes like that.

That's not to say that you guys don't deserve the bikes either but I think you're right that the efforts were "fueled by ignorance". It really makes me sad thinking about it.
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
Some time ago, apparently, a bike thief was busted in Toronto. Over 2000 bicycles were seized by the police. Time passed and now all of those bicycle must be sent somewhere to someone. About 300 of them made it to Thunder Bay.

I met with the Executive Director of the organization that has received the bicycles. With permission, a couple of Bicycles for Humanity volunteers, me being one of them, have volunteered our time and energy to help sort the bikes and prepare between 50 and 75 to be sent as soon as possible to a Northern Community.

Out team will begin sorting tomorrow and I will take lots of pictures. I spent about twenty minutes looking through the row upon row of bicycles. I saw mostly very high end bikes, both new and old.

There are mountain bikes, hybrids, modern road bikes, older roadsters, really old antiques, and quite a few vintage road bicycles, with names like Vitus, Bianchi, Sarinoni, Raleigh, and Peugeot, just to quickly name names that come to mind.

This should be a great deal of fun.

I will keep you guys and gals posted if interested.
It seems to me there's some responsibility, at least of the Toronto police or perhaps the OPP to attempt to restore stolen bikes to their owners. I guess this assumes Toronto keeps a register of serial numbers, and that people actually submit them to the police.

It is worthwhile to have someone like Randy find the S/Ns and record them.

If a Torontonian finds his stolen bike in this pile and requests it be restored to him (with some validation), what will be done?
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Old 05-03-10, 05:54 AM
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Good deed reward...

It seems to me there's some responsibility, at least of the Toronto police or perhaps the OPP to attempt to restore stolen bikes to their owners. I guess this assumes Toronto keeps a register of serial numbers, and that people actually submit them to the police.
Apparently, a lot of these bicycles were imported from other cities. But there would, certainly, be lots of bikes from local people also. And there, apparently, was an attempt to return the bikes, however ineffective it was.

It is worthwhile to have someone like Randy find the S/Ns and record them.
Gotta enough to do, however...

Had I lost a bike, I would have gone through every one of the two and a half thousand when granted the opportunity to do so. The way I see it, all victims had a chance to look and, many of them, blew by it not doing so. It would be interesting to learn about how many people actually did find their stolen bike in the pile and were able to prove it. Any one know anything about this?

Perhaps I am a bit harsh, but it pi$$es me off when someone looses a bike, to theft, and can't even be bothered to report the situation to the police. Let's not point our fingers just at the police. The problems started long before the cops had to figure out what to do with 2,500 stolen bikes. Had the people, who's bikes were stolen, did the correct thing, to begin with, they would have found their bicycles, claimed them and this thread would never have got started.

It is worthwhile to have someone like Randy find the S/Ns and record them.
Bikes are becoming increasingly valuable in today's world. I, myself, have spent close to two grand on a bicycle. Perhaps it is time to force bicycle registration - again???

If a Torontonian finds his stolen bike in this pile and requests it be restored to him (with some validation), what will be done?
I am hardly a lawyer but my guess is that the original owner will no longer have claim to the bicycle. Any lawyers out the who would care to consider this question and voice an opinion. I would be interested, myself and have actually thought about it a bit.

Anyway, as promised, my reward (see pics) for doing a good deed and helping to ensure that the people in North Spirit Lake will, at least, get bicycles that are in good working order.

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BSA_20_Full_Side_2..jpg Saronni_TS_AsFnd_Full_TQF_2..jpg
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any bmxs in there? norcos? I had a starfire stolen from me a few years back.
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Old 05-03-10, 07:01 AM
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wait a second... I am a bit of a late comer to this thread, I did peruse it in the begining but since I could not walk through this treasure trove I felt Randy was kind of teasing us with his good fortune.

but more importantly what is a bike theif doing with 2000+ bikes? shouldn't he be reselling them to buy crack and Horton's coffee and donuts?
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If Canadian law follows US law in this regard, then yes, after the public notice that tried to reunite the owners with their bikes, they are no longer property of the original owners. I buy bikes at police auctions, and the officers tell us that we now legally and rightfully own the bikes. We get receipts. They implied that they could even settle a dispute in case the original owner wants the bike back, and I would win.

Randy, the law only has enough time and money. Yes, we can imagine that they can and should do better to notify potential owners, but they have far less time and money than any business. It's bad enough that Torontonians barely had a chance, but folks from other provinces probably never heard of any hope. But they and you did the best you could, and that's all anyone can ask.

I had the same thought as Bianchigirll did about stowing away useful and valuable bikes. I guess it comes down to: if you're a low down criminal, you may not be blessed with a lot of sense anyway. That's all I can offer about why he was hording after stealing.

Bikes are easy to steal and hard to trace. I'm not happy about that, but I do accept it. I've had three bikes stolen from me, all of them precious to me. I've had one cannibalized. I know how it hurts.
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You gotta figure that almost every stolen bike in that area would have some link there.
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How are they going to auction these off?
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I do hope the kids that get them have some fun with them at least.
There were no kids bikes to speak of in those sent from Toronto. I supplemented the shipment with a dozen kids bikes that had been repaired by B4H mechanics.

any bmxs in there? norcos? I had a starfire stolen from me a few years back.
There were a couple of trick bikes or what ever they are called but I do not recall a Norco. The two included can just be seen in the picture supplied.

I will give you $100 to " send " Me a couple " Modern Road Bikes " .... How are they going to auction these off?
The only two road bikes that are of any consequence, as far as I am concerned, were the early eighties ALAN and a Saronni. Both bikes are my size and the ALAN is just about road worthy now. Hope to ride it soon.

How are they going to auction these off?
The bicycles cannot be sold. The mandate is to give the bikes to people living in northern and very remote communities. Sadly, my guess is the bikes will go to people who neither want nor will appreciate them. But that is beyond my control.

The last I heard, the people who are responsible for distribution are, more or less, sitting on the pile of bikes. The present intention seems to be ignore the bicycles and perhaps they will go away. And they will, if the local bike thieves and Mother Nature have anything to say about it. The thieves are the quick solution. Mother Nature will take a bit longer.
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Darn, I typed out a big response to this and I see now that when I edited it (post #30 above) that I screwed something up and it is gone. Oh well.

I just wanted to say that yeah, this situation with the stolen bikes really sucks and it is a failure on the parts of both the police and the city. Twice a year in Toronto we have a large city auction wherein the city auctions off old vehicles and machinery, I don't see why they couldn't have put a few hundred of these bikes in to that auction in order to raise some money. I could have been a great media event too: "Stolen bikes to be auctioned off, proceeds to charities around the city" is better than "Stolen bikes shipped off to northern Ontario where they will be put into the back of a shed for 8 months of the year". I guess I should run for mayor

Regardless, great pics Randy, that Saronni is stunning.
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The cover of our weekly NOW magazine just came out today and Igor is on the cover...someone has made a graphic novel from film stills. Yes, that is right, there is a movie coming out on Igor. Weird.

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pure gold
who knows where those bikes have spinned their wheels
make a short movie out of it
might be masochistic if you can't buy from the pile
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Apparently, a lot of these bicycles were imported from other cities. But there would, certainly, be lots of bikes from local people also. And there, apparently, was an attempt to return the bikes, however ineffective it was.



Gotta enough to do, however...

Had I lost a bike, I would have gone through every one of the two and a half thousand when granted the opportunity to do so. The way I see it, all victims had a chance to look and, many of them, blew by it not doing so. It would be interesting to learn about how many people actually did find their stolen bike in the pile and were able to prove it. Any one know anything about this?

Perhaps I am a bit harsh, but it pi$$es me off when someone looses a bike, to theft, and can't even be bothered to report the situation to the police. Let's not point our fingers just at the police. The problems started long before the cops had to figure out what to do with 2,500 stolen bikes. Had the people, who's bikes were stolen, did the correct thing, to begin with, they would have found their bicycles, claimed them and this thread would never have got started.



Bikes are becoming increasingly valuable in today's world. I, myself, have spent close to two grand on a bicycle. Perhaps it is time to force bicycle registration - again???



I am hardly a lawyer but my guess is that the original owner will no longer have claim to the bicycle. Any lawyers out the who would care to consider this question and voice an opinion. I would be interested, myself and have actually thought about it a bit.

Anyway, as promised, my reward (see pics) for doing a good deed and helping to ensure that the people in North Spirit Lake will, at least, get bicycles that are in good working order.

Attachment 149105 Attachment 149106 Attachment 149107

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Thanks, Randy, I see how hard the problem has become.
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With regards to what the city is doing with the rest of the bikes that were not sent to Thunder Bay, I believe they may actually be auctioning them off. There is a Toronto Police Auctions ebay account that regularly has about 20-30 bikes posted at any given time, and they are all local pick-up only auctions. I haven't seen much of value appear but every now and then there's a bike that sparks my interest. A recent one was a Norco Monterey SL, nothing special but some guy bought it for 220 and then had it listed for $350 on craigslist without even replacing the missing chain. Anyways, I'm not sure if the bikes they sell on ebay are coming from the same batch of unrecovered stolen property or not, but I thought it may be of note to this thread.
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