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Gitane TDF - restoration project (tires, presta, relube, anything else that is added)

Old 05-02-10, 05:22 PM
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While we're showing off TdF's, here's mine:



Straight stock 1971-74, except that I've upgraded the wheels to the optional Campy Tipo hubs, and the shift levers have been changed from the American-issue Prestige to the (so I understand) European-issue Criterium. It's also got a Favorit brown leather seat since this picture was taken.

You're going to love the way that bike rides. I'm about to roll over 2500 miles on mine in a bit less than four years, which has it in a three way fight for second highest mileage in the stable.
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Skyerocker,

What comp. do you have?

As an added bonus I found that someone dropped the bike on the saddle (bent the framing of the saddle) and popped loose some spokes so I might as well get both wheels checked out.
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Originally Posted by pcfxer View Post
Skyerocker,

What comp. do you have?
Afraid I'm not following the question.
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Must've been late when I posted that one...

What computer are you using? I think that is the right question

Jenson hasn't shipped yet, though, I'm certain I read bragging about how quickly they ship on their own site... All parts in stock and no parts shipped - makes sense.

Amsoil has shipped and the XL jugs for my parent's Sentra were back ordered. I predict and BET that I get the Amsoil stuff before I get anything from Jensen and that includes their e-mail that my order has shipped .
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Originally Posted by Rabid Koala View Post
Grand Bois, you are absolutely right. While I can't exactly describe what it is that is different, I definitely notice it.
It's that secret French fairy dust they used to sprinkle on their bikes.
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noglider, perhaps I shouldn't do any painting or paint cleaning of the sort, might remove that dust you know .

Update, it appears that the bike took a stumble when in storage. The saddle is bent so I've ordered a new one; a Velo something rather. could also explain the bent spokes and the one that is wildly lose.

Sigh, all I want to do is train! I might take my mountain bike out in the mean time - a Velo Sport Banff with Shimano High Value parts
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sykerocker, what tires are those?
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
sykerocker, what tires are those?
Vittoria Rallys is my educated guess. I know syke uses Rallys and has provided me with plenty of information about using/maintaining them.

btw, JensonUSA has shipped the parts due here TOMORROW??? I take back my complaints if I get the parts for the USA in less than a week. Sort of a humbling experience there.

That just pushed up my deadline to get the spindles repaired on the rear wheel :|.

I lubed cables, pedals and joints that don't use (Lithium type) grease with Amsoil Metal Protector. I'll have to buy a chain tool to really clean up the chain and apply the Amsoil Bar & Chain oil.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
It's that secret French fairy dust they used to sprinkle on their bikes.
Careful, don't want to get this thread locked now!
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I just replaced my Criterium with SX610. The criterium is still good but I bought the 610 to have on the shelf as a spare and had to try it. It is actually a better shifter. And it looks a lot cleaner. It reminds me of the Criterum when it was brand new in 1973 the way it shifts. And it stays on, the Criterium is my on the spare shelf now. I also upgraded the Criterium FD to a SJA 102 because the plastic clamp broke on the Criterium. I have a spare cage for the Criterum now.
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I just replaced my SX610 with a NOS Criterium. The Criterium is good, but the SX610 is better. The SX610 is an eighties derailer and a lot of advancements were made in the eighties, even by Simplex.

I just "accidentally" bought another SX610 on eBay by making a lowball bid. I got a Criterium FD with it, too.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
sykerocker, what tires are those?
Vittoria Rallye's. Over the last five years I've had excellent luck with them, running 100 lbs pressure religiously. As to their quality, the best I can come up with is this incident from four years ago:

If you look at that picture of my TdF you notice the chain isn't exactly tensioned well. At the time, I didn't notice but my tensioner springs were worn. One morning, on my usual summer pre-breakfast run, I'm coming down the hill to my driveway. As my drive is a cat 4 climb, I slammed the rear into low, and dropped to the low chainwheel with the intention of pedaling again once I made the turn and started climbing the drive.

The poorly tensioned chain threw, lodged between the freewheel and sprockets, stopped the rear wheel dead. I skidded and fishtailed for about fifty meters at which point the bike highsided me over the bars breaking my wrist. Once I picked myself off the road, cataloged the damage to myself, I started checking the bike. The rear tyre was still inflated! The rubber had worn down to the kevlar belt, the belt had slightly bucked but was intact, and had I not had a broken wrist, I could have ridden the bike back upthe driveway.

Yeah, those Rallye's have some quality to them.
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Originally Posted by pcfxer View Post
Must've been late when I posted that one...

What computer are you using? I think that is the right question .
It's a Filzer dB4LW. Once again, something that Performance carries (or at least used to carry) regularly on the shelf, usually on sale for $20.00 or so. It's wireless, four line readout, so I only have to switch screens once to see everything. I've been real happy with them, all my bikes except one has one. I think they've gone out of production, so I need to stop by and pick up a couple of extras for future projects.
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JensonUSA package arrived!!

So, Jensen stuck it to me and I got my stuff! The rear wheel is at the shop for truing and spoke replacement. The front has a Rally mounted for pre-stretch and I installed the brakes and adjusted the front brakes. I took the time to spray some more Amsoil MP down he bake cables as well.

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I see that you've elected to use cantilever-style shoes on your brakes. I'd be happy to buy your Mafac shoes from you if you don't want them.
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I see that you've elected to use cantilever-style shoes on your brakes. I'd be happy to buy your Mafac shoes from you if you don't want them.
PM me an offer, I'll consider it seriously!

I had to install the Eagle Claws backwards for the front because they happen to be too long so I'll see if they'll work the way they are now.
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Kool Stop now makes replacement pads for the Mafac holders. Velo Orange and Harris Cyclery have them in both black and salmon and I'm sure they can be found cheaper elsewhere. I'm getting rid of all of the cantilever shoes on my three sets of Mafacs. I never liked the look.
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What happens to nylon sprockets after 35 or so years? That's right, they crumble and die.

I don't suppose anyone has a suggestion as to the replacement of the sprockets or the entire dérailleur itself...as far as I've been told and that I understand, I have to get new drop outs for most new dérailleurs.
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I give my highest recommendation to the Simplex SX610. It will bolt right onto your hanger. I just paid $16.50 for this one and another $18 for the Bullseye aluminum pulleys. They both came from eBay.



Here's a shot of another SX610 on a Simplex dropout. I have a bunch of them.

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I give my highest recommendation to the Simplex SX610. It will bolt right onto your hanger. I just paid $16.50 for this one and another $18 for the Bullseye aluminum pulleys. They both came from eBay.



Here's a shot of another SX610 on a Simplex dropout. I have a bunch of them.

Thanks for the quick response GB! I noticed the dropout looks pretty standard so I could go with pretty much anything I wanted. I have no idea what Sheldon B. was on about with brazing off dropouts and such but I caught wind that he hates Simplex derailleurs.

I looked at SLJ's on ebay but $100 to run into the same issue is not worth it at all, I'd look for a second hand modern campy at that point. But, I shall look around for some SX610s. I noticed that the pic you posted at the top has a red wheel, is that a replacement easily found online?

The bearings are in fairly good shape with minor wear scars but I can always pack that with the Amsoil GLC #2. It's a little disheartening to see all your adjustment work end up on the ground in small pieces, reminds me of spun bearings in my friend's neon.
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Thanks for the quick response GB! I noticed the dropout looks pretty standard so I could go with pretty much anything I wanted. I have no idea what Sheldon B. was on about with brazing off dropouts and such but I caught wind that he hates Simplex derailleurs.

I looked at SLJ's on ebay but $100 to run into the same issue is not worth it at all, I'd look for a second hand modern campy at that point. But, I shall look around for some SX610s. I noticed that the pic you posted at the top has a red wheel, is that a replacement easily found online?

The bearings are in fairly good shape with minor wear scars but I can always pack that with the Amsoil GLC #2. It's a little disheartening to see all your adjustment work end up on the ground in small pieces, reminds me of spun bearings in my friend's neon.
I told you what those pulleys are, where I got them and even how much they cost. Pay attention.

If you have a seventies Gitane with Simplex dropouts, you are going to be disappointed if you buy anything but a Simplex derailer because it won't fit.
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I told you what those pulleys are, where I got them and even how much they cost. Pay attention.

If you have a seventies Gitane with Simplex dropouts, you are going to be disappointed if you buy anything but a Simplex derailer because it won't fit.
No worries, I learneded to spoke in grade first.

Bullseye pulleys and I read back in the thread about the SX610 comments. I think, unless I spot a 610 kicking around on ebay or what have you that I'll swap the now plastic circles with some new pulleys and use the criterium until I find a 610 for a decent price.

Thank you for the help again! You guys have done all the hard work and research for me, I can tell!
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Alright, I just purchased an NOS SunTour GT derailleur. According to some basic internet research this derailleur weighs twice what my Simplex Criterium weighs and so I plan on "borrowing" the pulleys to swap into the Criterium.

Should probably take about two weeks to get here but now I'm getting really anxious . I shall continue to search for some SX610s, there are too many success stories of TdFs being upgraded to the Simplex 610s for me to ignore. Tomorrow I plan on buying a cone wrench to lube up the Campy hubs and if Canadian Tire has decent rim cement then I'll snag some of that.

For pulling the chain off, does anyone have suggestions/pointers as to what I should or shouldn't do? I would like to pull the chain off and really get it nice and clean. I find that it is also easier to properly lube when the chain is off as well.

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Edit: I also forgot to ask, buuut I remember reading that the SCs received Campy RDs, do the Simplex dropouts allow for easy use of the Campy RDs?

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Campy will not fit. Nothing but Simplex will fit.

The Super Corsa had Campy dropouts.

I give up.
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I wasn't specific enough. I meant to add, "will Campys fit whilst modifying the dropouts with normal tools?" No welding or torches specifically. Taps and dies, I can handle. Trust me, I know that the simplex drop-outs are essentially built-in adapters that would've been used in the first place but Gitane elected for custom metal work.

Perhaps I am 'thinking' out loud here.
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