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To paint or not to paint: pink Miyata 610

Old 04-23-10, 02:19 AM
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To paint or not to paint: pink Miyata 610

A great big thanks to all who helped me pick out my first steel bike! Though I was going to look for a sport touring frame this weekend, I came upon a Miyata 610 in good condition for $150 so I went for it (way less than the Palo Alto frame $500+ or a Trek 330 $300 or Univega Sportour $260)! Very dirty. I took a picture before taking it apart, but have no idea how to post pictures...

HOWEVER, it is hot pink (1981?), probably by far my least favorite color. So my question for all the vintage fans out there, to paint or not to paint? Current paint condition probably a 7/10. I was thinking cream with same decals (gold) so it would be cool subtle. Price tag probably $200 w/ new decals from Velocals. Or ride around on a pink bike...

Side note, some problems:
1. Bike kickstand bolt sheared and stuck, currently drilling little by little...
2. Crank bolts stuck 2/5: drill?
3. Have not tried the seatpost or stem yet but praying they're loose...

Otherwise frame looks pretty straight and solid! Loving the headbadge =)
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Old 04-23-10, 04:10 AM
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Painting your bicycle will significantly lower its value. I do suggest that you learn how to post pictures if you hope to seek the best help from other forum members.
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I have a rose coloured Bianchi I love.

Pink is a perfect colour for a bike; traditional for a woman, in your face for a man: "Yes, it's pink...do you have a problem with that?"
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Do whatever you want to do to make riding the bike more enjoyable.
I have a Dave Scoot Ironman sitting in pieces right now while I get up the scratch to do something about the horrid salmon/yellow paint.
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"The paint is totally trashed" is a pretty good argument.

"The paint is pink" is not.

I vote, do not paint... but then, I have painted bikes more than once. Slow learner.
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Well, my vote is to keep it the same. How many people do you see riding around on pink bikes? The more idiosyncratic your bike is, the less likely it is to get stolen...

As for the repainting process, why bother with having new decals made? You're not restoring the frame.
I just don't get the obsession with having brand names plastered all over your bike.
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Hold on to that pink bike, it's back in style.
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If the color isn't what you want, trade it for something else. The color will be what someone else wants.

The one exception to the rule is the following, which should not be repainted nor resold, but chucked in the nearest tip:



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I think most C&Vers will tell you not to paint. Personally, I say go for it if you would prefer another color. Just be aware that you are damaging the value, and that perhaps a few of the more militant proponents of originality, might be mildly miffed at you (how's that for alliteration?). I just bought my first vintage bike too, and had it powder coated. I bought it to ride, because the only new bikes like it (lugged steel, touring geometry, made in the US) are way out of my price range. It's not a museum piece, and it wasn't when I got it, so I don't feel bad at all about the alterations that I've made. It also had more rust then I felt comfortable dealing with personally, and yes, I wasn't wild about the color (pewter gray). Don't get me wrong, I have all the respect in the word for those on this forum who can restore bikes to all their period correct glory. But for those of us who are fans of C&V rides, mostly because we prefer the way they used to make them, I think a little alteration is cool. At least I hope it is...

On the other hand, real men and women aren't intimidated by a little hot pink.
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Originally Posted by jtgotsjets View Post
As for the repainting process, why bother with having new decals made? You're not restoring the frame.
I just don't get the obsession with having brand names plastered all over your bike.
Agreed. If you don't leave it pink, I vote to forget the decals.
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I had a pink Univega I liked very much. Great color.

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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
Painting your bicycle will significantly lower its value. I do suggest that you learn how to post pictures if you hope to seek the best help from other forum members.
I can honestly say that I never give any thought to the resale value of my bikes. I don't plan to sell them. They're not investments.
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Responses: I understand the value issue and I normally would not alter (but not bc of value but bc I like the history), but this is my first steel bike and I intend to keep it and love it. Despite its pink color I am already growing attached. I don't mind riding it pink its still a wonderful ride, its having to look at it off the bike that hurts me, and it really does hurt me (not to mention there are rusts I would like out). I want to put the decals on to remind me of the period, not to be flashy. A bare frame just seems odd, like a person not having a name, or someone with amnesia.

But since I can also see the other side, I will probably ride it pink for awhile though I think knowing me, I would get really annoying and will have to get it painted. As of now it's a non-issue bc my drill just broke and many parts are still stuck to the bike. Taking this time to clean and polish all the components, ah how I love doing that =).

When I learn how to post pictures I will do before, during, after and maybe doubly after if painting is involved and maybe it will convince some skeptics. Note that before me this bike was just laying under a tarp, neglected, so in my view, new life for bike, new ride for me, but why o why pink.
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im going to disagree with everyone and say a good paint job on your bike will increase the value. the market for pink men's bikes is very low. paint it whatever color you like or look at the catalogs and see the other colors it came in that year and paint it that color.

i painted my miyata 1000 baby blue (rattlecanned even), and i dont regret it at all.
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
Painting your bicycle will significantly lower its value.
No, it won't.

Not to be flip, but we're not talking about a priceless one-off here. How much value does a Miyata 610 have, anyway? A re-paint will not affect resale one penny. You might not get out what it cost to paint it, but a repainted 610 will sell for just as much as an "original" one. Even more, if it makes it more presentable.

Paint it with no regrets, it that's what you want to do.
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Hot pink was more in vogue around 1987-1991. Your bike may date from later than 1981 methinks.

And oh yeah, it's kinda back!
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I'd build it up and ride it for a bit, to make sure it's what you want. Then, if you decide it's a keeper, paint it however you like. It's nice to customize a bike, and for many of us, it's extra incentive to ride the thing.
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Originally Posted by bigbossman View Post
. . . . we're not talking about a priceless one-off here. How much value does a Miyata 610 have, anyway?
Good value actually, not as much as the 7 hundred series, but frame alone probably $200+ on ebay if it's clean -- although to be frank pink will not sell as well to the old touring farts who are primarily interested in this animal (regardless of pink being hot with the hipster crowd.)
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You want to paint it? Then paint it.

I'm doing the same thing to a comparable Centurion. Great bike, 1987 paint job is in pretty good shape, but god is it ugly. I'll probably rattle-can it and keep the frame blank. I really don't care who else knows what brand/model/tubeset it is.

I know I'll enjoy it more. That's all you should be concerned with.
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Originally Posted by Drakonchik View Post
Good value actually, not as much as the 7 hundred series, but frame alone probably $200+ on ebay if it's clean -- although to be frank pink will not sell as well to the old touring farts who are primarily interested in this animal (regardless of pink being hot with the hipster crowd.)
Ok - let's say this pink 610 frame is worth $200. Does anyone really think that if it's professionally painted, say, midnight blue, it will be worth less? I don't.

Like I said - you might not get the cost of the paint job out of the sale, but it will be worth just as much as a repaint as it is now. It's not a rare collectible, and it's value is in it's utility as a touring frame.

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I'd build it up and ride it for a bit, to make sure it's what you want. Then, if you decide it's a keeper, paint it however you like. It's nice to customize a bike, and for many of us, it's extra incentive to ride the thing.
This is good advice.
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https://www.re-cycle.com/bike.aspx?pic=3039

Looks exactly like this minus the black tape, and worse condition.
BBM is this midnight blue? Bc that's a possibility... Any other color recommendations?

https://www.vintage-trek.com/images/t.../Reborn750.jpg

My basis for cream color:

https://vanillabicycles.com/frames/touring/1/

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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
I can honestly say that I never give any thought to the resale value of my bikes. I don't plan to sell them. They're not investments.
Well, I do the exact opposite. I guess its from collecting antique furniture for over 40 years. I have learned a couple things (that apply to me, but perhaps not to others):

1. Original finish is almost always worth more, even if it is a mediocre finish. In those cases where changing the finish didn't decrease value, the value never increased enough to cover the cost of the refinish, and the time invested refinishing.

2. Much of the stuff I thought I was going to keep forever, I ended up selling for a variety of reasons: wanted a different style, a different size, my interests changed, or whatever. So I consider resale on just about anything I buy that's not consumable.


Every single bike I have owned where I was "positive" I was going to keep forever, I ended up selling. In the last couple of years, I have sold off at least a dozen keeper bikes I "knew" I was going to keep forever. I guess I am more fickle than others. Right now, I have owned my keeper bikes anywhere from three weeks to two years. The bike acquired three weeks ago is going to replace the bike I acquired two years ago.

By keeping an eye on values, both in acquiring bikes and in modifying/upgrading bikes, I have been able to change my mind without tapping the bike fund. But hey, I'm retired, and I am pretty cheap....

Despite all of these comments, it is your bike, and I support 100% your right to paint it any color you want, and equip it anyway you want.

I guess its easier when every bike I own is lugged steel, and only one is a modern bike. And I have often made reversible changes to make the bike fit better. My purpose is to have something I will ride.

As far as selling a pink bike, I have sold a couple of pink bikes in the last year. Both did very well valuation wise, better (higher selling price) than similar bikes with bland colors. And they sold quickly. But that's just my experience.

The last year for the 610 was 1986, in 1987 they went with a 615. So despite the Miami Vice paint, it appears to be built before that era.

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I don't know man. That's pretty cool.

I'd probably ride it with those tires along with a nice brown leather saddle and elk hide grips from Velo-Orange. And a brass bell on the stem for good measure.
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Good points all around. My stance is that the important thing is that you ride the bike. If the color of the bike is so distasteful to you that you won't ride it, then paint it... or as somebody said sell it off to somebody who will. Coming from a buyer's mindset, though, I personally wouldn't buy a bike that was repainted, simply because I want to know what it is I'm buying. Too often I see bikes that have been repainted, don't have decals, and no model information from the seller because I guess they don't know or remember what it is under the paint. I myself like to know exactly what I'm buying, and this requires knowing information that a repaint would conceal. It's not about the repaint itself.

So keep that in mind before you go through with it, because there's a good possibility you'll want to sell it as you figure out what you're looking for in a bike. At the very least I would make sure to take pictures before the repaint in such a way that you could prove the bike is a Miyata 610 to potential buyers down the road.

P.S. I think the paint job in the example bike is pretty awesome. I love that color.
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