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Bummer, my rear aheel has a slightly bent axle :(

Old 04-29-10, 07:56 PM
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Bummer, my rear wheel has a slightly bent axle :(

Noticed it tonight as I was swapping on a new 7 speed freewheel. When locked up in the dropouts you can see the freewheel pulse around a little bit. Oddly, you can;t see it in the rim?!

How much should a fairly priced shop charge to change out the axle. I probably could if I had the axle but I don't have the variety of thin wrenches needed for the locknuts and such. I checked and the bearings cups and cones are all ok, I just need a new axle.

Any idea?

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Old 04-29-10, 07:59 PM
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It's normal for a freewheel to wobble. I have a few that look quite drunk when the axle spins.
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Well, wait a minute, the axle is locked and doesn't move. It must be something else....what would cause the freewheel to appear to shimmy when it isn't moving but the wheel is?
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+1 on the above^^. It's normal.
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Oh, and get yourself some cone wrenches. Friction is the enemy! You need to learn to adjust the hubs properly. I have to say, though, I do like cartridge bearing hubs...
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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike View Post
It's normal for a freewheel to wobble. I have a few that look quite drunk when the axle spins.
Really...am I all worked up about nothing again?!

If that's the case I'm surprised I didn't notice it before...unless Ii just wasn't looking at as closely because I was so concerned about the small cog position relative to the frame.
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+10 Normal.
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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike View Post
Oh, and get yourself some cone wrenches. Friction is the enemy! You need to learn to adjust the hubs properly. I have to say, though, I do like cartridge bearing hubs...
Is it like a cup and cone BB...just enough pressure to get rid of play and not a bit more?
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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike View Post
Oh, and get yourself some cone wrenches. Friction is the enemy! You need to learn to adjust the hubs properly. I have to say, though, I do like cartridge bearing hubs...
In my case, ignorance is bliss.
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just quit cleaning and polishing and ride the bike!!!
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Originally Posted by khatfull View Post
Is it like a cup and cone BB...just enough pressure to get rid of play and not a bit more?
Yes, except

that you need to adjust it just loose enough so that when you clamp the skewer down that you have the proper (non) play. You can do this in your wheel truing stand.
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Originally Posted by khatfull View Post
Is it like a cup and cone BB...just enough pressure to get rid of play and not a bit more?
The idea is to leave a tiny bit of play in the bearings because the pressure of the quick release when tight pulls it in a little.

Edit^^beat me to it.
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Originally Posted by khatfull View Post
Well, wait a minute, the axle is locked and doesn't move. It must be something else....what would cause the freewheel to appear to shimmy when it isn't moving but the wheel is?
It shouldn't be but it's fairy normal. I think it's because the hub and/or freewheel thread are slightly misaligned.
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Freewheel wobble is just as sure on bikes as the lights in refridgerators, car glove boxes and trunks turning off when you close the door......everytime......believe me, it's true!......

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Ok ok, I get it...

Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
just quit cleaning and polishing and ride the bike!!!
I JUST got through swapping the RX100 group to it. You want a Bianchi frame now?

Originally Posted by Shp4man View Post
The idea is to leave a tiny bit of play in the bearings because the pressure of the quick release when tight pulls it in a little.

Edit^^beat me to it.
Makes sense....I left it about there but I'll get cone wrenches and do it right when I have them. Thanks.

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Freewheel wobble is just as sure on bikes as the lights in refridgerators, car glove boxes and trunks turning off when you close the door......everytime......believe me, it's true!...... Chombi
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Freewheel wobble is just as sure on bikes as the lights in refridgerators, car glove boxes and trunks turning off when you close the door......everytime......believe me, it's true!......

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And, helicomatic wobble is even more pronounced.
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Originally Posted by scozim View Post
And, helicomatic wobble is even more pronounced.
It IS a Maillard....

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Originally Posted by Reynolds View Post
It shouldn't be but it's fairy normal. I think it's because the hub and/or freewheel thread are slightly misaligned.
Is this it? I can tell you, upon many a midnight dreary have I this pondered weak and weary.
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Originally Posted by Shp4man View Post
The idea is to leave a tiny bit of play in the bearings because the pressure of the quick release when tight pulls it in a little.

Edit^^beat me to it.
+1, I made the tool that Sheldon shows on his website and it has been pretty nice. Check it out Khatful, it's easy to make and puts the axel under load like if it were mounted to the frame.
http://sheldonbrown.com/cone-adjustment.html
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Interesting thanx for that, i'm going to be overhauling the wheels on the fuji they are suntour sprint hubs and i have never done one with a quick release. Not to hijack the thread but the hubs say sealed bearings and i have never worked on those type before. I haven't really looked took the wheels apart but in my mind i keep seeing sealed bearings like how bearings are in a skateboard wheel, the cartridge type If so can you just buy sealed cartridge bearings to replace the old ones.

I have rebuilt the ones without a quick release. but non like this.



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+1, I made the tool that Sheldon shows on his website and it has been pretty nice. Check it out Khatful, it's easy to make and puts the axel under load like if it were mounted to the frame.
http://sheldonbrown.com/cone-adjustment.html
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As far as I know, sealed bearings can mean two things. It could be cartridges or something as little as a little plastic "seal".

Since you are talking suntour hubs, do they look anything like these (maybe not gold of course)


I have a set of those hubs and they are cartridges and need a special tool to get to them. They are awesome hubs though.


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Interesting thanx for that, i'm going to be overhauling the wheels on the fuji they are suntour sprint hubs and i have never done one with a quick release. Not to hijack the thread but the hubs say sealed bearings and i have never worked on those type before. I haven't really looked took the wheels apart but in my mind i keep seeing sealed bearings like how bearings are in a skateboard wheel, the cartridge type If so can you just buy sealed cartridge bearings to replace the old ones.

I have rebuilt the ones without a quick release. but non like this.
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Originally Posted by scozim View Post
And, helicomatic wobble is even more pronounced.
Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
It IS a Maillard....

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Are you guys inferring the French are intoxicated engineers?
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Are you guys inferring the French are intoxicated engineers?
Well, that would explain how they thought they were engineers in the first place...
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Originally Posted by khatfull View Post
Is it like a cup and cone BB...just enough pressure to get rid of play and not a bit more?
While it's possible this could have an effect, it could be (and is far more likely) that the freewheel is just a little bit off center. This is very common, and there's no remedy if that's the case.
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