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Old 04-30-10, 04:00 PM
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Finnish Army bicycle information needed

My unmarked Finnish Army bicycle appears to have a DBS chainwheel (www.bikecult.com/works/chainwheel.html). My frame SN is 53133 SA, the last letters standing for Suomen Armeija or Finnish Army. I have seen the DBS Serial Number list but my number doesn't seem to apply (civilian vs. military contract?). Is it likely that this is a Norwegian DBS built for Finland? The rear hub, a single speed Sachs Torpedo coaster brake, is stamped 36S, with the S apparently indicating 1974 manufacture. Any and all information appreciated!
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I can't help you, but that page you cite is a lot of fun. I love the cardboard chainguard!
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I agree about the chainwheel page: Brilliant!
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Hi from Finland!
Have ride many times but no idea who did make those.
I try to find out.
Give me few days.
How did you get it over there?
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Hi from Finland!
Have ride many times but no idea who did make those.
I try to find out.
Give me few days.
How did you get it over there?
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We need pix out of the box to judge. There was a lot of "making frames and bikes for each other" and using the same components among the scandinavian bike manufacturers. At present I am restoring a 1940 Damant w the same DBS Fauber crank, but with a Gresvig (the sports supply chan that sold Diamant) chainwheel.

Ask this man. http://www.denrustneeike.no/ am sure he can tell you (and sell youspares if needed).
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Finnish Army (War) bikes was build by Kone ja Terä Oy (machine and blade) in Tampere Finland. They started at building bikes at 1932 and build till 1962.
In war time 1939-44 they use parts where ever they got some.

After 1962 manufactoror might be Valmet Oy, but I try to find out that later.
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More Finnish Army bicycle images

Many thanks to all for the comments. Attached are a few more snaps. Any and all information appreciated!
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Apparently, 200 Finnish Army bicycles were imported into Canada about year 2000. I purchased this example from a Canadian military vehicle dealer in late 2000. It has 28-inch diameter, 1 1/4-inch wheels and appears to be very similar to the Swedish Army Bicycle m/111 (Post-1971: 28 inch wheel with Sachs Torpedo rear hub). The pedals and front hub are German "Union" items.

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That tail light look to me that it is after 62!!
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That orange plate stand for Porin Prikaati. Pori is Town and brigade...
Actually it's located in Säkylä.
http://maps.google.fi/maps?hl=fi&q=s...ed=0CBgQ8gEwAA

I did look piqtures and it sure look like it's from 70-80's bike.
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I found a place selling hundreds of Swiss surplus bikes

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I have a vintage Swiss Army Oltenia bicycle as well as the Finnish bicycle. The Swiss bicycle is beautiful. Interestingly, Cold War Remarketing is only about 25 miles from me although my Swiss bicycle came from the east coast of the U.S.
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Yes, I think the 1974 marking on the rear hub might be correct. Did Valmet Oy make bicycles with 28-inch wheels in the 1970s?
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Agree about the tail light, definitely newer than 62. I just shot a question to Metso (Valmet Automation was merged to them in late 1990s / early 2000s) via their web site, they might answer something. Don't hold your breath though.

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The pedals are post-1962 as well, as they have reflector inserts in the rubber pedal blocks. (I realize various parts can be easily exchanged among similar bicycles, especially in a military bicycle shop. The frame number is the one sure item of information.) Thanks for writing to Metso: I hope they respond.
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Metso did respond, but no help there: according to them, bikes were not part of Valmet's product line in the entire 1970s. I have also e-mailed the Pori Brigade (where your bike apparently served) directly, they haven't responded.

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Thank you: I can remove Valmet from the list of possibilities.

I also wrote to info@cycleurope.se for information about DBS military bicycles but received no reply.

I've been in touch with the Pori Brigade as well: They're going to think its a movement!

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From Life magazine: On patrol during the "Winter War" in 1939.

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Thanks for the link to Life magazine. That bicycle looks very similar to mine.

Here are a few more detail photos of the bicycle. An interesting "find" is a stamped "P" on the right side of the seat tube (opposite the serial number) by the seat post clamp. Could that be a symbol for the manufacturer?

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Thanks for the link to Life magazine. That bicycle looks very similar to mine.
Accessory Mosin-Nagants are available.

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Yes, a Mosin-Nagant M39 (or RK 62 / RK 95) would be a very nice accessory! I have a Finnish Army M62 camouflage uniform and some other military items to display with the bicycle when it is cleaned and assembled.

One new fact I have learned is that the bicycle apparently has a Fauber crank.

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Even more photos

And some measurements:

Seat Tube = 22 inches / 56 cm (Center to Center = 21 inches / 53 cm)
Top Tube = 24 inches / 61 cm
Wheelbase = 48 inches / 122 cm
Standover = 32.25 inches / 82 cm

I downloaded a copy of the Swedish Army "M7786-003520 Cykel Instruktionsbook" which shows the m/42, 104A and 105A bicycles. My bicycle appears identical to the 104A except that it has the Fichtel & Sachs Torpedo rear hub of the 105A. (I have not been able to find information about the Swedish Army 111 bicycle which may have both 28-inch wheels and the Torpedo hub.)

Could this be a Swedish Monark bicycle built for the Finnish Army?

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Just to follow up on my previous posts, here are a couple of images of the completed "SA-polkupyörä" or Finnish Army Bicycle.
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