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Old 05-01-10, 12:33 PM
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Help with my Cinelli auction info? [pic heavy]

I was very very lucky to pick up this beautious 70's Cinelli a month ago on local CL. It needed minimal cleaning: took it all down and repacked everything; I switched out the RD for something less scraped, built a rear wheel to swap out with the Sansin it came with, and replaced the cracking Modolo hoods with some new repros and Benotto tape. It's going to be going to auction shortly, but I wanted to know a little more before I throw it out there.

I haven't been able to find any info on Cinelli serial numbering or model designations. The RD it had on it when I bought it was '72, but apparently that's nothing to go on. Serial # on the shell is "7.280" 80th frame of 1972?

Any experts have some particulars to offer? Was Super Corsa the designation for all their bikes at this point? Thanks for looking, fellas.









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Old 05-01-10, 01:19 PM
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The brakes are post-CPSC, as is the front derailleur. The design of the stem fitted was first used in 1976. I would simply say mid to late 70's.

PS: your spoking on the rear wheel appears to be off by one spoke.
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Old 05-01-10, 01:19 PM
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Looks like late 70's early 80's I'm not sure when they changed decal designs.

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something does look kind of odd on the back wheel. is the front wheel tied? where is it going on auction?
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
something does look kind of odd on the back wheel.
Looks like it's laced two-cross.

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I think the top-tube cable guides puts it into the very early 80's?

If you just bought it to flip, a "part-out" would have been easier and netted more bucks. You loose points on those brake cable housings
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Old 05-01-10, 04:53 PM
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I have top tube cable guides on my '77 SC, and this bike looks pretty much the same as mine! So it could easily be a late 70's model.

Beauty of a Cinelli, good luck with the sale!

PS--A 70's Cinelli was recently sold on ebay for $1,150 - frame and fork only.

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The serial number means nothing until after 1980. I have been told the logo changed to the flying C in 1978 soon after Antonio bought out Cino.

Pretty bike.
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As mentioned earlier, simply say "mid to late 70's Cinelli road bike" anyone who's seriously interested already knows what it is. Dont go into an explanation of the serial number and why it cant be accuratly dated. Those who know, know. And those who dont.....shouldnt be bidding.
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Any Cinelli with the famous 3 hole luggs is very desirable. Mention those in the add as well.
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Any Cinelli with the famous 3 hole luggs is very desirable. Mention those in the add as well.
To add to that: Mention the holes, not the rarity factor. As Jim said, those who are seriously interested have no desire to be addressed in the ad copy as amateurs. Note the constant hyperbole seen in most Schwinn Paramount ads - enough to drive you up the wall.

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Looks like it's laced two-cross.

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I'm going with 3-cross, but laced incorrectly. The spokes should be back 1 counterclockwise.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
To add to that: Mention the holes, not the rarity factor. As Jim said, those who are seriously interested have no desire to be addressed in the ad copy as amateurs. Note the constant hyperbole seen in most Schwinn Paramount ads - enough to drive you up the wall.

-Kurt
Yes, but you want the uninitiated driving up the experts' bids!

Nice build, j. I think it's noble to sell whole (mostly original) rather than maximize your profit, and you might even hook some bidders who would prefer it ride ready.

BTW, despite the naysayers, your rear wheel is far better than anything I could build.
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Originally Posted by mudboy View Post
I'm going with 3-cross, but laced incorrectly. The spokes should be back 1 counterclockwise.


Looks like I get a 2nd chance at gluing up a tubular. Ughhhhh.

Thanks for the pointers, guys.

You guys think I'd be better off selling just the frame & fork? It's certainly easier to ship that way, but I did like the idea of it being ride-ready (despite my back-wheel sabotage attempt)

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You guys think I'd be better off selling just the frame & fork? It's certainly easier to ship that way, but I did like the idea of it being ride-ready (despite my back-wheel sabotage attempt)
Okay, nevermind your noble nature. Is gluing and lacing a rim that hard?
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Looks like the front lacing is off too?
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Hmm, I think the front is fine - I didn't lace it!
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The lacing issue is purely aesthetics. There's nothing functionaly wrong with it. You could almost put in the same aesthetic list as rim label and hub label orientation. Does it functionaly make a difference? Nope.
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Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
The lacing issue is purely aesthetics. There's nothing functionaly wrong with it. You could almost put in the same aesthetic list as rim label and hub label orientation. Does it functionaly make a difference? Nope.
That is not completely true. You want to have the widest gap at the valve to facilitate access with a pump (and fingers). Furthermore, there are those who say that such a lacing pattern will also ensure that the spokes have the maximum inward force at the seam which is opposite to the valve hole. Personally, I only think the pump space is important.
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AAARRRRGH! I wish I had read this, Jim, before I went and undid that entire wheel and relaced it. Ah the lessons, the lessons the lessons...

Seriously - it's purely aesthetic? My original mis-lace posed no structural threat for the new rider?
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Don't worry, just sell the frame. Easier to pack and ship. If it falls within USPS dimensions, you can do International and get bigger buckaoos. Cheers, gioscinelli
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Do you guys think buyers of collector pieces like this look to build it up themselves? I just assumed selling it whole would be best, in that a buyer has a rideable bike without having to hunt down the rest of the parts. Maybe I'm being presumptuous - I suppose they might have other visions of how they want the frame finished, or even an intent to do a full repaint/resto.

Any leanings you have on this matter?
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Seriously - it's purely aesthetic? My original mis-lace posed no structural threat for the new rider?
I think it is all aesthetic and posed NO structural threat. I've never bought into the 'easier to facilitate using a pump' arguement. That being said I think a wheels looks better when its laced like others have mentioned. Lets face it, aesthetics are a big part of this auction. If a wheel isnt aestheticly laced correctly whats it say about the rest of the bike?
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Do you guys think buyers of collector pieces like this look to build it up themselves? I just assumed selling it whole would be best, in that a buyer has a rideable bike without having to hunt down the rest of the parts. Maybe I'm being presumptuous - I suppose they might have other visions of how they want the frame finished, or even an intent to do a full repaint/resto.

Any leanings you have on this matter?
Its a crap shoot...... 50/50.
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Me, I'd want the whole bike.

I agree that the mis-laced rear wheel would have put me off.
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