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Old 05-01-10, 08:04 PM
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My first ever bike with fenders...Raleigh International

Thanks to Chris in Miami, I was able to get a bike I've really wanted...a Raleigh International. It's more or less restored to original status...except the wheels. Eventually I'll get get a set of nuovo record hubs and lace them to some Open Pros...but that's a while off yet. It also has a b-17 instead of a Professional because I like B-17s more and because I had an extra. I also might have used a higher end set of bars than what should have come stock, but I thought they were SERIOUSLY cool.

I haven't ridden it much, or hard since I'm still a bit sore from the fall, but thus far I've noticed a very smooth ride, but a very flexy frame punctuated with lots of flex shifting. It also seems to be far more sensitive to trim than any bike I've ridden before. The brakes are outstanding with the Kool Stops...filling rattlers.

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Old 05-01-10, 08:16 PM
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As always, very classy!!!!

Can't wait to hear an in-depth ride report when you feel better.

You sir, are a bike magnet.
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That Sir is a COOL ride!!! Very classy! Of course it would have to be my size.....

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Hi KonAaron -
It happens that I consider a Raleigh In'tl as a GRAIL BIKE - and I started to salivate all over myself when I saw these pics of your International -

-but then, seeing the rear brake cable routed ahead of the bars made me stop and say to myself: "No way would I ever want to own such a bike, with the cable routed that way - no sir -I'd just have to throw it in the Dempsey Dumpster" Good thing I don't own one of those Internationals . Lucky me!
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Old 05-01-10, 08:48 PM
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Classy is the word, very nicely done! Are the fenders by Honjo?
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Whoa, cool bars. Were those an ebay find? i was looking at some just like that on the bay.
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Very nice - warm, natural tones complement the soft green so well. The hammered fenders and beautifully engraved bars are such a nice touch as well. Perfect.
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Beautiful!
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Thanks all!

Authencrow...what size frame do you ride? I MIGHT know of one that's available.

Chris...thanks! Owe it all to you. They are Honjos. I went all out, what can I say.

Just so folks know what kind of a good guy Chris is...he went out, took photos of the bike...went back, packed it perfectly (having never done it before) and shipped it up to Philly. A true gentleman in every way.

Chainring...no actually. I got them from Via...I paid more than I wanted, or should have, but I really liked them.

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Looks really nice. The chromed capella lugs are the best part. Those bars sometimes came on the Professionals so I wouldn't call them too fancy, I have a set on my Gran sport. I am surprised that the frame seems flexy to you, the upper end Raleighs I have seem to be pretty stiff.
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Very nice build! I have those GB Ventoux bars on my Ebisu and like them a lot. I'm also surprised to hear that you find that Int'l flexy as I've also found them to be pretty stiff. You must be a masher!

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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I haven't ridden it much, or hard since I'm still a bit sore from the fall, but thus far I've noticed a very smooth ride, but a very flexy frame punctuated with lots of flex shifting.
Out of curiosity, does it feel similar to the dead-feeling flex on a Trek tourer, or a springy flex, as with some French machines? I noticed the latter on my Competition, and I've been curious as to whether this applies to the International - I haven't had an opportunity to ride it yet, it's still in pieces.

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Thanks for showing me what the my International will look like when I finish restoring it with my extra set of Honjo's.

It's a shame that you are stuck riding a bike that is too short for me.

Thanks for sharing that nice bike.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
Thanks all!

Authencrow...what size frame do you ride? I MIGHT know of one that's available.
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Beautiful! I'm restoring its twin.
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KonAaron Snake, Fletch521, those are beautiful bikes. I've got a '72 champagne International with a full Nuovo Record group that I've had on the back burner for quite a while now. Your pics are motivating me to get to work on it. When I got mine it had Campy hubs laced to Fiamme yellow label tubular rims. I found some 700c Mavic Module E's laced to Ofmega hubs on ebay some time ago, I might even rebuild the wheels and use the Module E's with the Campy hubs.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Out of curiosity, does it feel similar to the dead-feeling flex on a Trek tourer, or a springy flex, as with some French machines? I noticed the latter on my Competition, and I've been curious as to whether this applies to the International - I haven't had an opportunity to ride it yet, it's still in pieces.

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Kurt...I honestly don't feel qualified to answer that because I've never ridden a Trek Tourer and I have very limited experience with French stuff. The only touring bike I've ridden was a Lotus Odyssey and that was 20 plus years ago...so I don't really know how much I remember about its feeling. The only French bike I have is the Velosolex, and that actually feels pretty stiff to me.

I've noticed that I got several flex shifts in a pretty short ride and without a whole lot of torque. I'm not mashing anything right now...I can ride for maybe about 2 miles (gently) right now before pain starts hitting my lower back. When I climbed the exit ramp from the garage at work, I could really feel it moving under me. The tubing also seems pretty thin to me.
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Mine is the before picture. Rounded up most of the parts, just need a good set of long reach 999s and I'm ready to get moving.

I'm liking KonAaron Snake's fenders!
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Fletch...I was STUNNED by how well the brakes worked! They were notably stronger than the side pull calipers I'm accustomed to and I always remembered the center pulls as being weak. These are tremendous, and that's without well machined rims. Part of that is of course the Kool Stops.
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I've never seen an International with Capella lugs before. Was this just a “we ran out of the Nervex, and gotta keep building, so steal some from the Competition inventory” or were there specific years where Raleigh used Capella lugs on the International too? Hmm -- answered my own question by reference to the 1973 catalog, where it advertises Capella lugs for the Int'l.

Oh, nice bike, of course! It has the semi-wrap seat stay caps, too, which are another plus.

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I think it might have been the entire 1973 run, but I'm not certain. If you check out Sheldon's section on Internationals, he has a photo of one with Capellas and the 1973 catalog makes special mention of the Capella lugs.
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I've noticed that I got several flex shifts in a pretty short ride and without a whole lot of torque. I'm not mashing anything right now...I can ride for maybe about 2 miles (gently) right now before pain starts hitting my lower back. When I climbed the exit ramp from the garage at work, I could really feel it moving under me. The tubing also seems pretty thin to me.
Interesting. It doesn't happen to have 531 rapid taper chainstays, does it?

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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
Kurt...I honestly don't feel qualified to answer that because I've never ridden a Trek Tourer and I have very limited experience with French stuff. The only touring bike I've ridden was a Lotus Odyssey and that was 20 plus years ago...so I don't really know how much I remember about its feeling. The only French bike I have is the Velosolex, and that actually feels pretty stiff to me.

I've noticed that I got several flex shifts in a pretty short ride and without a whole lot of torque. I'm not mashing anything right now...I can ride for maybe about 2 miles (gently) right now before pain starts hitting my lower back. When I climbed the exit ramp from the garage at work, I could really feel it moving under me. The tubing also seems pretty thin to me.
Some of this is probably how the torch guy did his job, well or did they overheat the mess.
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Interesting. It doesn't happen to have 531 rapid taper chainstays, does it?

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I'm not really sure. The catalog says 531 double butted throughout. Does the photo of the chain stays above indicate this?

One very odd thing was that the drive side drop out had an eyelet for fenders, while the other side does not. There was no break in the chroming, or jagged edges, so it looks like the factory just forgot to weld one on. Does that seem possible?



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Quality was a problem for Raleigh at that time, but I'm still surprised to see the missing eyelet. It's puzzling how that bike could be let out of the factory like that.
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