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Old 05-02-10, 12:43 AM
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Raleigh Super Record 700c 9 speed conversion

I bought a Raleigh Super Record frame and have built it up with 700c wheels and a 9 speed cassette, double crank and bar-cons. The frame came with no derailleur hanger, so I installed the Sunrace style hanger that fits in the dropouts with a bolt and wedge. The problem is the chain rubs on the wedge when in the smallest cog. It's not a huge deal, since I can simply not use that cog, but I'd like to make it work if possible. Maybe move the hanger forward in the dropout?

Should I put grease on the rear derailleur cable guide that's brazed on the bottom bracket shell?

Lastly, the hub axle was sticking out of the dropout slightly on the non-drive side and not allowing the QR to fully seat. I put in a lockwasher between the QR and the frame. Is there a better solution?

UPS is making a fortune on the parts I've bought for this frame.

thanks, Eric
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Nine speed requires 130 mm spread between the drops. Did you cold set the frame? Are you using 130mm hub?
Can you use grease? Sure, Should you, probably not, that area will pick up a lot of grit from the road. I'd try to polish it if possible.

Are you using a QR on the rear? I have no idea why that should be sticking out unless you're using a solid, nutted axle. I wouldn't. See first comment.

BTW, Pics would really help here.
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Old 05-02-10, 08:21 AM
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You need more clearance between the smallest cog on the freewheel and the dropout. One simple way to do it is to put a washer *inside* of the dropout, and you'll have to put one on the non-drive side, too, to keep your wheel centered. You can do that whether you're using a quick release or solid-nutted axle.

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Old 05-02-10, 09:11 AM
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Funny, I was just up all night trying to do this to one of my Raleighs. On mine there was a little spacer on the right side of the axle to get all the way out to the 130mm. I started to take it off then realized that it would be useful on the left side to get that last cog to stop rubbing on the chainstay. I had to redish the wheel anyway.
My other issue is getting the compact triple crank I have to work with my 70mm bottom bracket and really long spindle. I could just go back to the road cranks but then I need to get a new cassette to get the ratios I want.
I just pulled really hard on the rear triangle to get the wheel in. It's not far enough to permanently deform the frame, It's just a couple of mm.
How wide is your BB?
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Old 05-02-10, 10:30 AM
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Wow, SB, from that pic, your crank set looks really outboard in relation to your freewheel. Perhaps with a 9 speed chain it won't make a difference, but I do wonder how smooth your shifting will be. Or is an optical illusion?

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Old 05-02-10, 10:41 AM
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Good idea on the washer. I'm concerned the wheel is going to move around under torque with washers on both sides. Maybe I'll add some serrations. I'll get some pix later today.

Yes, I spread the rear to fit the wheel. Maybe the axle is not centered on the hub? That would explain why it's wide on one side and short on the other. Hmmm. I'll try a different wheel for fit.

Thanks for the help.
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Originally Posted by sailorbenjamin View Post
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I see a shorter BB spindle in your future. I concur with Neal - way too far outboard. The inner ring of that crankset looks as if it's centered with the smallest cog.

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Originally Posted by idcruiserman View Post
Maybe the axle is not centered on the hub?
Can you center it by readjusting your cones?

My chainline is only half my problem. The derailleur doesn't even reach past the first ring. Maybe I should try this on my Grand Prix. It's got a standard bottom bracket. I don't know why this thing has such a long spindle.
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Can you center it by readjusting your cones?

My chainline is only half my problem. The derailleur doesn't even reach past the first ring. Maybe I should try this on my Grand Prix. It's got a standard bottom bracket. I don't know why this thing has such a long spindle.
what is a 'standard bottom bracket'? I mean there is mainly English, Italian,and French but all of these have several variations of spindle length. the length of you spindle is determined by the model and year of the cranks you are using.

most cranksets after about '94 had alot less dish on the driveside than older cranks. chances are your Grand Prix spindle is too long also.
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Originally Posted by idcruiserman View Post
Lastly, the hub axle was sticking out of the dropout slightly on the non-drive side and not allowing the QR to fully seat. I put in a lockwasher between the QR and the frame. Is there a better solution?

UPS is making a fortune on the parts I've bought for this frame. thanks, Eric
it sounds like you hub was not properly asembled. were these new or used wheels? you really should have no more than about 4 threads outside the locknuts

UPS,FedEx and USPS are all getting rich off of us.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
what is a 'standard bottom bracket'?
Well, both my Carlton Raleighs have 70mm BBs which use a spindle with 57mm between the races. Kind of hard to find a decent variety of spindles. I've looked at my other bikes and this one sticks out farther than any of them as well as being wider in the middle. The Grand Prix is a Gazelle Raleigh with a 68mm BB which uses the more common 55mm spacing. While it's cottered at the moment, I've got a bag of japanese spindles to fit 68mm. One of them should fit the bill. It's just that it's a gaspipe frame and it really doesn't need much whereas the Carlton is a nice frame in need of a total makeover. A little more inspiring.
Sorry to use so much air time on your thread Cuiserman.
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I put a washer inside the frame on the drive side plus one on the outside of the non-drive side, and it looks good. I'm waiting on a clamp-on housing stop for the front derailleur and then the maiden voyage. Also need a clamp-on bottle cage.
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..... Also need a clamp-on bottle cage.
Rather than risk scratching up my new Raleigh rebuild, I mounted a water bottle on the bars like this. I got the mount at BikeNasbar.com for $3-4 and really like it.

Not so sure about the bars though.....After riding 35 miles on them a couple weekends ago, I'm thinking about putting on regular drops. I'm finding myself even more stretched out than on my other road bikes, rather than more upright like I expected to be.

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Got the bike rolling the other day. The only bummer is I'm thinking the seat tube is 26.0 versus the 25.4mm seat post I bought. Yes, I'm making a shim.
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How's it shifting?
I gave up on the compact triple and went back to a standard triple with a more traditional offset. It's not perfect but it'll work.
For the record, I misquoted the bearing spacing in my post above, It's 52mm for the 68mm BB and 55 for the 70.
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Shifting great. I like the friction bar-con action with the front derailleur.
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