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Old 05-09-10, 11:53 PM
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Identify my bike please

I bought this bike recently and I need some help identifying it. Here's what is known:

Skip link chain
Wooden Rims (not pictured)
Droxel? Leather seat
Serial Number under bottom bracket: 16 99 71

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https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike1.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike2.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike3.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike4.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike5.JPG

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Old 05-10-10, 09:05 AM
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Looks like a Lawnart 100.
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Looks like a Lawnart 100.
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Wow. That is one rough bike.

Here is a closeup of the chainring. Hopefully, someone on here may recognise it.

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Can't tell you the make, but it's from somewhere in the 1930's to the 1950's. I'm leaning more toward the 1930's. It has a path racer stem, for example. Send a picture to sixty fiver, he may know more. I'll ping him in on this thread for ya. I'm
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Some of the features point to this being a very old bike... the closed fork ends, bolted seat stay (for chain removal), and angled dropouts which is something one still sees on Worksman made utility bicycles. The adjustment screws are an interesting feature of this frame.

Would put it in as very early model bike... stem and bars are porteur type and not racy at all and the lack of lugs points to the frame being filet brazed.

Hoping someone else will be able to identify this bike... the cranks look generic so aren't helping me here.
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Old 05-12-10, 08:30 AM
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Pic 5, it looks like that is an 189971, not 168971.

By the way, I think I MAYhave found it. The Filet Brazing was the clue, along with the Ashtabula crank.



Model 1755 Arnold Schwinn World. 1917. Frame design, crank, chainring all match, as does the stem, bars and filet brazed frame.

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Some of the features point to this being a very old bike... the closed fork ends, bolted seat stay (for chain removal), and angled dropouts which is something one still sees on Worksman made utility bicycles. The adjustment screws are an interesting feature of this frame.

Would put it in as very early model bike... stem and bars are porteur type and not racy at all and the lack of lugs points to the frame being filet brazed.

Hoping someone else will be able to identify this bike... the cranks look generic so aren't helping me here.
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chainring does not match. just saying.
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Cool rust-bike. It does look a lot like the Arnold Schwinn, but with a different chainring than above. If it really is a 1917 I'm impressed it has the original saddle on it.
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I thought the serial number looked like 139971 when enlarged. hard to tell. Wonder about pulling the crank to get a number off of it. Bet that bottom bracket comes right off.
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Old 05-12-10, 11:17 AM
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On a bike this old it is almost a sure thing that the chain ring was swapped out at some point... if it is a 1917 Schwinn it is a pretty awesome find despite it's sad condition.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
On a bike this old it is almost a sure thing that the chain ring was swapped out at some point...

Why is that a sure thing?
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Thanks for the help everyone, I will look more into the possibility of it being a Schwinn. I looked everywhere on the bike, including removing the bottom bracket, but there were no more numbers.
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Here are some additional pictures:

https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike6.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike7.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike8.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/OldBike9.JPG
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It looks like something from Chicago but I don't think Schwinn (Hendrson Excelsior either). There was a Chicago company called Mead that used that crank.
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Mead had a parts and accessory business as well as selling complete bicycles. Most of their frames where supplied by Schwinn. THe attachment of the seat stays looks typical (late teens through 1930 or so) of the Schwinn brands and so do the dropouts. The fender looks exactly like the set I have for my Grandfather's 1921 Arnold, Schwinn, Henderson. A bike that has been in the family since new.

Probably because of their accessory business, Mead bicycles often came standard well equipped with Lights and "pumps"




..and I think this bike could be saved.
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Comparison to a known Mead serial number

This on from 1928


And Every good picture I could find of a Mead had your seat.

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Here are some more pictures, does anybody know what that hub says?

https://neverthemachineforever.com/wheels.JPG
https://neverthemachineforever.com/hub.JPG
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Originally Posted by Fletch521 View Post
Why is that a sure thing?
How often do you replace the chain rings on the bikes you ride ?

Bikes get used and modified over time and as parts wear out they get replaced so identifying a bike based on a chain ring only works if it was original or an original replacement... and if one can find a reference showing original equipment.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
How often do you replace the chain rings on the bikes you ride ?
Steel chain rings? Never.

I have a 1896 Crescent that still has three original chain rings. A 1921 Schwinn Henderson that still has its original chain ring.

The bike we are talking about here is a Mead Sentinel.







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