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Old 05-10-10, 02:51 PM
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LOL at this thread. I have a suspicion it may be going to the same place as the Rivendell threads, though. Shabbat shalom.
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Shabbat shalom.
Hey! It's Monday... you mean שבוע טוב!
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Originally Posted by chicago al
it takes a lot of chutzpah to run such a schpiel about a bike that is obviously dreck. Seller is a gonif, looking for some schnook to come along. It's a shonda.

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Wow, this ad is a true laugh riot! Thanks Keith!
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Originally Posted by Chombi
Still interesting Israeli bike to have though! I wonder what tubing was used....
The bikes that come up in these forums seem to come from a rather small number of national origins (western Europe, Japan/Taiwan, US)

Do we have tunnel vision from where most of us happen to live, or did C&V cycling not mature in other parts of the world to the point there would still be a healthy number of timeless* specimens floating around?

* Not sure how to categorize all the bikes that show up here.
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Originally Posted by splytz1
People, enough with the Jewish stereotyping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Jews

'[PDXaero] Jews are still stereotyped as greedy, nit-picky, stingy misers.... Common objects, phrases and traditions used to emphasize or ridicule Jewishness include bagels, playing violin, klezmer, circumcision, haggling and phrases like "Mazal Tov", "Shalom" and "Oy Vey".' (my emphases)

No offense meant to anyone who posted here, by the way; this is an atypical post for me; and I don't consider myself PC (in fact, I thought the jokes were pretty funny until the one about "get[ting] a better price somewhere"), but this is a dangerous road to go down.

I'm fairly certain I'll get attacked for being overly sensitive - I may even get a couple "this is the Internet/free speech/I say what I want" diatribes - but I'm also fairly sure I'm right on this one. Apologies in advance for killing the fun.
Sorry guy, but just because wikipedia is offended doesn't mean anyone else is./
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Wow, that bike is a total nightmare.
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LMAO at that fork. That's great. I bet it sure as ***** doesn't roll on Shomer sh*****! Shomer f'n sh*****!
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BTW isn't the seller assuming a bike is jewish because of its Israeli origin akin to calling an Italian frame Catholic?
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Originally Posted by jtgotsjets
Sorry guy, but just because wikipedia is offended doesn't mean anyone else is./
How about hearing from a Jew who'd prefer not to be subjected to negative stereotypes? I'm one. I don't mind the ones about mothers laying on guilt, but I do mind the ones about being cheap or conniving. OK with you?
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^ I think Tom has it right.
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Originally Posted by noglider
How about hearing from a Jew who'd prefer not to be subjected to negative stereotypes? I'm one. I don't mind the ones about mothers laying on guilt, but I do mind the ones about being cheap or conniving. OK with you?
+1

Another Jew who thought it was a stupid comment. Was it the most offensive thing in the world? No...but it was a dumb thing to say.

By the way...there is a general misunderstanding about "PC". It's censorship when speech is outlawed, or banned...or regulated by a Government agency. Telling people who say stupid things that they said something stupid isn't censorship. Every society has community standards...and that's all "PC" is...a standard of being decent towards one another. It means we as a society expect to be treated as individuals. Everyone complains about PC until it's their Ox getting gored.
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Originally Posted by Walfredo
BTW isn't the seller assuming a bike is jewish because of its Israeli origin akin to calling an Italian frame Catholic?
Well, maybe if it's a Colnago with priest bars...
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Thanks to Tom and KonAaron Snake who got it exactly right. It's easy to write things in this sort of semi-anonymous public forum (without any intention to be offensive) that you would instinctively know not to do in the real world. Some of that may be due to confusion about who gets to make jokes: if you're a member of a minority, you can freely joke around about the characteristic stereotypes of your own minority--but only with other members of that group. Think of it as a big happy family gathered for a holiday meal--the members can laugh about how uncle Bob is really stingy, cousin Sue is a bad driver, etc. But you wouldn't joke that way if someone from outside the family was visiting, and if the visitor made those sorts of jokes it would be seen as pretty rude. KS is right--it's about decency, not censorship.
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I do agree with you guys, it's nothing to joke about. I don't think PDXaero was aiming to offend anyone, he probably thought the joke was innocent enough. His un-PC moment has been corrected so let's assume that the point was taken and not rub it in too much.
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Originally Posted by mkeller234
I do agree with you guys, it's nothing to joke about. I don't think PDXaero was aiming to offend anyone, he probably thought the joke was innocent enough. His un-PC moment has been corrected so let's assume that the point was taken and not rub it in too much.
I agree...I don't think what he said was outrageously offensive and I certainly didn't see it as some anti-semitic diatribe or anything. It was an off color comment that in a different context might have been fine...but here, it wasn't. I think he meant it in a harmless way and probably learned something. Not the end of the world...

Now about that bike...it looks like something an elephant would ride in the circus!

You know...after really looking at it...I'm not convinced the fork is bent. The guy might have just reversed it.

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I'm pretty sure it's reversed AND bent. I mean, I know it's reversed, and I'm also pretty sure it's bent.
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Originally Posted by jonwvara
I'm pretty sure it's reversed AND bent. I mean, I know it's reversed, and I'm also pretty sure it's bent.
I'm definitely an amateur here...I don't feel confident saying it's bent when it's reversed and the angles are hard to establish.
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Originally Posted by Chicago Al
It takes a lot of chutzpah to run such a schpiel about a bike that is obviously dreck. Seller is a gonif, looking for some schnook to come along. It's a shonda.
Exactly!
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Originally Posted by jtgotsjets
Sorry guy, but just because wikipedia is offended doesn't mean anyone else is./
Some of us on the list are Jews, and some of us are offended. Not by the bike, but by a few of the subsequent "jokes." The seller is just an idiot. Some of the commenters are not.
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Originally Posted by noglider
How about hearing from a Jew who'd prefer not to be subjected to negative stereotypes? I'm one. I don't mind the ones about mothers laying on guilt, but I do mind the ones about being cheap or conniving. OK with you?
Right here, Tom! I don't usually make a point of responding to vaguely anti-Semitic slurs, but this thread is getting up there, and the stereotypes are not at all vague. Like I said, the seller is an ignoramus.

Bike Forums might need to have a Bigotry and Racism Forum, if people want to continue this cr*p.
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I have no problem with the seller. I don't know if he was making a joke, though I suspect so. I don't see any negative stereotypes in the ad. The "get a better price" elsewhere is borderline to me. Mostly, I was pointing out splytz1's comment. He said that wikipedia doesn't prove that any comment is offensive, and my point to him is that non-proof of existence is not proof of non-existence. I'd rather not be cast into a giant lot of people who are cheap or dishonest, which is a very negative stereotype.

Most of the jokes I've seen here have given me good giggles, especially from Chicago Al. I think I'll name him an honorary Jew. I just don't want anyone to tell me what should upset me or not.

Honestly, this thread has NOT troubled me. Offended would be a much too strong word!
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Originally Posted by noglider
Mostly, I was pointing out splytz1's comment. He said that wikipedia doesn't prove that any comment is offensive, and my point to him is that non-proof of existence is not proof of non-existence. I'd rather not be cast into a giant lot of people who are cheap or dishonest, which is a very negative stereotype.
It was jtgotsjets who made that comment, not me. I was the one who posted the wikipedia link in the first place (which maybe I shouldn't have done).

In my original post, I may have reacted too strongly. I have not been terribly offended by this thread at all. It's pretty mild. But after those couple of comments (when I first posted), I saw it potentially going down a road, which, maybe thanks to the class and character of this community, it did not.
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You better watch out they are going to build a wall around this thread and put up those automated turrets soon.
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