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Shimano 600 pedals (PD 6400)

Old 05-12-10, 08:13 PM
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Shimano 600 pedals (PD 6400)

Looking at a pair of Shimano 600 pedals (PD 6400), they have toe cages with them, as well as the triangle clip ins towards the front of pedal, like this picture.

I was wondering if I can use these pedals with street shoes? Or is it gonna be totally awful if I don't have cleats?

Any info appreciated, sorry if this is a stupid question... tried searching.

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Old 05-12-10, 08:17 PM
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Those pedals are wonderful with steet shoes (don't know about leather sole work shoes) but they are the pedal of my choice and use them with running shoes and rubber sole shoes with no problem at all. You need cages for those. They do take cleats, but they are hard to find and high priced. Those triangles are what holds the toe cages in.
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Old 05-12-10, 08:19 PM
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Awesome, thanks for the help!
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Originally Posted by EjustE View Post
Those pedals are wonderful with steet shoes (don't know about leather sole work shoes) but they are the pedal of my choice and use them with running shoes and rubber sole shoes with no problem at all. You need cages for those. They do take cleats, but they are hard to find and high priced. Those triangles are what holds the toe cages in.
I'll second that - these work great for me with running shoes/converse allstars - much more comfortable than quill style pedals. It may be because my feet don't naturally point directly forward and these allow them to pivot to their normal position, quill style seems to try to force them straight ahead.
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Old 05-12-10, 10:06 PM
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[QUOTE] They do take cleats, but they are hard to find and high priced/QUOTE]
I just started a thread asking if they do take cleats and look what was one below it, DOH.
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Old 05-13-10, 12:32 AM
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Any idea on a good price to pay for these? Used in good condition hopefully.
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nice. tricolors. I have a pair of the older Shimano 600 aero pedals; I got them at a swap meet for $15. not sure if the tricolors are comparable in price.
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Originally Posted by dashuaigeh View Post
nice. tricolors. I have a pair of the older Shimano 600 aero pedals; I got them at a swap meet for $15. not sure if the tricolors are comparable in price.
yeah the ones i'm looking at are not the exact ones in the picture. i think they may be a little bit older.
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For both the tricolor and the earlier 600EX (6207, not 6400) the prices vary widely. I've seen them on Ebay anywhere from $15 to $100. You need to get the Shimano toeclips. The ones for Campy platforms and for standard quill and rattrap pedals will not fit. The toeclips stand-alone can be $10 to $30, and straps can vary widely. There was a shoe cleat that matches the triangle thing, but I've only ever seen it once on Ebay. I've been using the 6207 on my Trek 610 since 1984 when I got it, nearly always in street shoes, sneakers, or rubber-soled touring shoes. Comfort is a little bit better with a Campy C-Record platform pedal, but much better than a quill or rattrap. Unlike a rattrap, these really need a toeclip, and the Shimanos are the only ones that fit.

There are also very similar variants in 105 and in DuraAce, the 7400.
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Originally Posted by ck800 View Post
yeah the ones i'm looking at are not the exact ones in the picture. i think they may be a little bit older.
The model numbers are stamped on the steel plate. 6207 was a little before 6400.
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+1 for the prices here. They are all over the place starting at $20ish shipped and getting really high. In addition to the DA and 105 in this style, the RX100 pedals were also similar (very close to the 105) and there were Exage Sport (not Motion or Action) platform pedals that are very close but had different cages and bindings.
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
The model numbers are stamped on the steel plate. 6207 was a little before 6400.
thanks for the tip. mine are the 6207's. They're good; I had to clean them out significantly, but they feel great to me. I have a campy chorus aero pedal set on my other bike, and these look/feel comparable.
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Old 05-13-10, 09:22 AM
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plus if you don't like the plastic clips, and also don't mind a little kludging: I once made some to fit by flattening out the flange on a pair of regular (size L) steel clips, cut to fit and drill the 3 holes using the toe-piece as a template. It was a little crude but worked. Helps to have a sheet-metal nibbling tool and a drill press, and a Unibit makes nice clean holes in thin metal.
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I used to ride the 105 pedals of the same design. At the time I had a pair of Vans and I found the back plate to be very uncomfortable. But those shoes had a really cheap floppy sole.
My newest bike has the 600 pedals and Ive noticed the back plate doesnt feel as bad in the Asics Tiger street shoes Im currently wearing.
But I noticed, after it was pointed out in an old thread on the subject that I read last night, that the back plate on the 600 version is removable buy 3 screws. So Im thinking of making a new plate to screw in that wont come up as high. It would be a very easy task.
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+1 to everyone above. I have a pair of these pedals that I got off a donor bike. I absolutely love them even though the dust caps are a little beat up from the previous owner. They are going on a bike I am building up for a friend
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I have both these and the Pd-7400 dura ace ones too. I love them. they work way better for me than the platform type pedals and the dura-ace ones spin like butter. Though with the dura ace ones I have no idea how to over haul them. anyone have any pointers on how to overhaul them? Im really confused as to the axle attachment method and apparently they have needle bearings too.
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Originally Posted by 7/8timing View Post
I have both these and the Pd-7400 dura ace ones too. I love them. they work way better for me than the platform type pedals and the dura-ace ones spin like butter. Though with the dura ace ones I have no idea how to over haul them. anyone have any pointers on how to overhaul them? Im really confused as to the axle attachment method and apparently they have needle bearings too.
you need a special wrench for the inboard axle, you unlock that "collar" and then unscrew the axle with a regular wrench. They do have a small cage with trapped roller bearings, but the real trick is the small cluster of loose bearings that have to be arranged deep in the hollow that the axle nose bears against...tweezers help. Actually, they are a bit fussy, but not impossible.
BTW, there was a guy at the last swap that had a bunch of the special Shimano wrenches for sale, think he wanted $5 each, maybe less...they are just stamped steel.
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Thanks. Ill see if any of the shops in my neck of the woods has the special wrench.
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