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Q: Is there a formal definition of Classic or Vintage?

Old 05-14-10, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by miamijim
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If you ask the Road Cycling sub foum what C&V is they'll tell you anything older than 2005.
+1 My local dealer thinks anything older than 2005 is obsolete, worthless, and needs to be dumped at the soonest opportunity.

+1 To me, its all about pre-STI steel frame bikes. And it is still vintage even after you put STI on it (at least IMHO). So my 1987 Prologue, with 2003 Ultegra STI group, and modern wheelset, is still vintage.

I like to think of classic as more of a design/style. So I consider my 2003 Colnago Master Lite, with Columbus Gilco frame, chrome lugs and stays to be a classic. Its a combination of the steel lugged frame, and the use of chrome. Obvious (to me anyway) that it is not vintage as it is only seven years old.
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Originally Posted by helicomatic
From a customer yesterday:

"You know, it's an old bike, like 15 years, it has one of those square bottom brackets."
Been a while since I've seen one of those. They had some threading issues, didn't they?



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Old 05-14-10, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesss
Classic=nice
Vintage=old
Originally Posted by jtgotsjets
if you think it looks old and cool, post it here.

I don't think we need to agonize it. These guys are here to save us from the philosophers.
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I don't know how to define Classic and Vintage... But, I sure do love it when I see it, or better yet get to ride it.
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Old 05-14-10, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Been a while since I've seen one of those. They had some threading issues, didn't they?



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This looks shopped.

I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing many 'shops in my day.


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Old 05-14-10, 08:28 PM
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looks like an early paramount square BB
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Been a while since I've seen one of those. They had some threading issues, didn't they?



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Maybe one of those press in bottom brackets..... Looks like someone with Photoslop had too much time on their hands....
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Never-mind. for some reason my browser didn't show me the whole thread before I responded

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Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
This looks shopped.
Blatantly. I didn't make any effort to conceal it - just figured I'd throw it in for an extra laugh.

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Old 05-14-10, 11:51 PM
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Thanks for all of the insightful responses to my question, you guys are very thoughtful and perceptive. Sorry to bring up a subject that has been flogged to death before. So C&V sounds somewhat like the definition of pornography: nobody can pin down just what it is, but you know it when you see it. Well, there's nothing like bike-porn.

I like the pre-STI definition. The problem in my case is that I put Ergopower levers (and carbon forks) on my 30-year-old Kuwahara tandem. I guess that to be truly vintage, there must be some sort of restoration to original specs? Otherwise, it might just as well be a hot rod, reverting again to the car analogy.

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Old 05-15-10, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lhbernhardt
I like the pre-STI definition. The problem in my case is that I put Ergopower levers (and carbon forks) on my 30-year-old Kuwahara tandem. I guess that to be truly vintage, there must be some sort of restoration to original specs? Otherwise, it might just as well be a hot rod, reverting again to the car analogy.

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I like the pre-STI definition too although some would argue that the introdution of investment cast lugs was the downfall of humanity...or at least the end of the classic bike period. I personally throw in my own bias based on that old adage "I'd rather push my Harley than ride your Honda" (for the record I've owned 3 Suzukis and a Honda and no Harleys and ride a Panasonic to work everyday) and I exclude most Japanese bikes from C&V status and classify them as simply nice old bikes (with exceptions for things like 3Renshos and such of course). I'll get flamed for that I'm sure

When it comes to making changes I use the Hot Rod "restification" rule - change it as long as nobody can see it. So yes, the Ergo levers on your tandem would be questionable, the carbon fork is definately out. Then again it's Japanese so change whatever you like on that nice old bike

Really though, if I'm going to ride a bike regularly then it really can't be all original. All of the consumables will have to be changed (tires, tubes, cables and housings, brake pads, etc). And I'd probably want to change the gearing to something I can live with here in Colorado so the freewheel and possible the derailleurs might have to change. For example I use a Suntour 14-34 freewheel and a Campagnolo Rally derailleur on my Gran Turismo, neither of which were original. I don't think that changes its C&V status at all.
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I still like...

Classic is a style...one can have a modern bike in a classic style (just ask Collin2424 about his latest acquisition).
Vintage is an age.

My Fuji Tiara...I would consider it classic but not vintage.

Assuming of course if you define classic as something arbitrary like pre-sti, presence of lugs, etc.
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Old 05-15-10, 08:50 AM
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I think classic implies that it was the best of its type. I think there are CF bikes that are classic because they are the best, most desired, examples of their kind. Cervellos are classics to me and in 40 years...when all the kids who drooled over one but couldn't afford it start buying used...they'll be at the top of the heap.
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Old 05-15-10, 01:29 PM
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it's just a bunch of cranky old farts who "hate on" anything really cool, like fixies and the cool guys who make them really cool out of crap-*ss old 10-speeds...simple.
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I posted this in a different thread but I think it fits here, too.


To quote my favorite gearhead author, Peter Egan, a classic is "Something that nevers gets old, even when it is."

I like that.
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Vintage Or Classic Or Both?

I was wondering if you'll would consider my old bikes to be Vintage, Classic or both? 1989 Schwinn 564 (Paramount Series: Aluminum) Mint Cond., 1992 Cannondale H800 Hybrid Mint Cond., 1993 Cannondale M500 Mtn. Mint Cond., 1996 Cannondale M300 Mint Cond., 1996 Cannondale H200 Mint Cond., 1997 Cannondale H500 Mint Cond.. All the Cannondale's have Aluminum Frames & Canti-lever brakes.

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Originally Posted by kyleblu100
I was wondering if you'll would consider my old bikes, Vintage, Classic or both? 1989 Schwinn 564 (Paramount Series: Aluminum) Mint Cond., 1992 Cannondale H800 Hybrid Mint Cond., 1993 Cannondale M500 Mtn. Mint Cond., 1996 Cannondale M300 Mint Cond., 1996 Cannondale H200 Mint Cond., 1997 Cannondale H500 Mint Cond.. All the Cannondale's have Aluminum Frames & Canti-lever brakes.
Me? No...but you might, and others here own and show off 90s cannondales.

If you want to show it, show it.
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