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Old 05-14-10, 06:14 PM
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PX-10 rules

1, Ditch the Delrin
2, Dump the "death stem"
3, Don't be too "French"
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Old 05-14-10, 07:02 PM
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u08 rules

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Originally Posted by secretagent View Post
1, Ditch the Delrin
2, Dump the "death stem"
3, Don't be too "French"
I have a Gitane TdF that still has the Delrin and the death stem. I don't ride it hard and keep a close eye on condition, but I like it as original as possible.
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Originally Posted by secretagent View Post
1, Ditch the Delrin
2, Dump the "death stem"
3, Don't be too "French"
Those are the rules? My UO-8 still has its death stem.
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Old 05-14-10, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by secretagent View Post
1, Ditch the Delrin
Not if it still works.

2, Dump the "death stem"
Denotes a very small percentage of French stems, mainly those with open necks. Don't worry so much.

, Don't be too "French"
Wow... Why would you make a PX-10 less French, it's the quintessential French bike?

I won't call you a newb, I promise.
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1) +1 for keeping an eye on it - especially the cracks in the Delrin.

2) AVA Stem - Don't over torque it. (really, if it hasn't cracked in 38 years, is it really going to crack?)

3) Vous ne pouvez pas être trop français !
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1) I just picked up a gold Super LJ FD, RD, and clamp/shifters to replace all the delrin.

2) I have the open front AVA stem and was told by someone here to check the actual insertion part of the stem around the expander area, and whether it was single slot or double slot.

3) Why change it's "frenchness"...I figure I'm making it even "frenchier"!!!

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Old 05-14-10, 07:58 PM
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I have a 73 TDF and I ditched the delrin. The FD cracked on me last year and I put on a Simplex SJ 102 (Fantastiic) and for protection I replaced the RD with Simplex SX610 (even better smooth as silk) also I put on Simplex retro shifters. I removed the road bars and went to a straight bar. The rest of the bike is original and I kept all the parts so I can return to original. I doubt that I will as I have owned this bike since new and I don't think I'll go back.
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Old 05-14-10, 10:50 PM
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I don't play be the rules...though I do have an English saddle and Italian hubs. I rode it both days last weekend. Everytime I ride it I wonder why I don't take it out more often.

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I have a multi section Ava stem in my shop... it snapped off above the wedge.

I am thankful I was not riding the bike when this happened and yes.... UO8's rule.

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Originally Posted by secretagent View Post
1, Ditch the Delrin
2, Dump the "death stem"
3, Don't be too "French"
I guess mine fits the bill then. Hubs, BB, headset, crank, pedals, and saddle are still French. The cranks have 9/16 pedal threads and will get a set of clipless pedals instead of the clip/straps, but probably a French set of Looks. The rest of the drivetrain, stem/bars and seatpost are Italian.

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Old 05-14-10, 11:30 PM
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I just rehabilitated an old Ideale Professionalle for my UO8 and am really trying to stick with a French theme... derailleur and shifter is Huret, wheels are Maillard / Rigida, although the stem is a sanded down Nitto and bars are Sakae.

Crank is Peugeot branded but made by Sakae.

Will need to track down some nice Mafac levers to go with the Mafac brakes.
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I guess I should also point out that mine is a lowly PR-10.

Also, I have replaced the broken Mafac levers with Tektro 200As and the seat is a San Marco Concor which sits atop a SR laprade. My pedal threads are 9/16" (original) as well and I swapped out the Lyotards for some MKS AR-2s.

Still feels pretty French though...

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Old 05-14-10, 11:41 PM
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I should point out that the PLX8 Grand Tourisme rules even more than a UO8... built before JUY discovered the much hated Delrin, there's no death stem, and strangely enough...it has the same lugs as the UO8.

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Old 05-15-10, 07:27 AM
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I'm hoping to finish my PX-10 build this weekend. Built up from a frameset, so I didn't have to contend with original parts, but I'm still largely going all French (Mafac brakes, CLB levers, Stronglight crankset and BB, Atom pedals, NOS Simplex Prestige RD and Sachs/Huret FD, Simplex retrofriction shifters, no-name stem and Belleri bars, Simplex post and Ideale 90 saddle). I'll stray on the wheelset: early 80s Shimano DX hubs built into new V-O PBP rims (which are high polish copies of Super Champions) and Panaracer Pasela tires.

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
I should point out that the PLX8 Grand Tourisme rules even more than a UO8... built before JUY discovered the much hated Delrin, there's no death stem, and strangely enough...it has the same lugs as the UO8.
I love that bike Sixty Fiver. As for it having the same lugs as a UO8, I think all "8" series bikes use essentially the same frame. If there is any difference between Helium, Tube Special, and Carbolite 103 I suspect only a metallurgist could tell.

One day I'd like to create a faux PLX8 from a UO18.
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Real PX-10's wear tubulars.
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I'm putting a Sturmey Archer SW hub from 1952 on mine. Don't hate. Photos later in the week if forum disgust level isn't too high.

Won't need the delrin, using a 30's SA quadrant shifter.

Death stem.... keeping it on to remind me of my own mortality.
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
I'm hoping to finish my PX-10 build this weekend. Built up from a frameset, so I didn't have to contend with original parts, but I'm still largely going all French (Mafac brakes, CLB levers, Stronglight crankset and BB, Atom pedals, NOS Simplex Prestige RD and Sachs/Huret FD, Simplex retrofriction shifters, no-name stem and Belleri bars, Simplex post and Ideale 90 saddle). I'll stray on the wheelset: early 80s Shimano DX hubs built into new V-O PBP rims (which are high polish copies of Super Champions) and Panaracer Pasela tires.

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Sounds cool. I'm hoping you'll share some pics/thoughts on the PBP rims, I've been thinking about a set of those. I've heard that they have a fairly high sidewall but I haven't seen enough pictures to make my own judgment.
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Originally Posted by Kommisar89 View Post
I love that bike Sixty Fiver. As for it having the same lugs as a UO8, I think all "8" series bikes use essentially the same frame. If there is any difference between Helium, Tube Special, and Carbolite 103 I suspect only a metallurgist could tell.

One day I'd like to create a faux PLX8 from a UO18.
The UE 8 is the modern counterpart to the PLX8 in most respects and my UO8 (which could be a UE) is heading in that direction as my PLX is the one of those bikes I have that is not a daily driver just because she is a little rare and a little valuable.

The PLX is a slightly better bike in the ride department and the finish is better with the offset lugs and chromed rear stay and is quite a bit stiffer which makes the bike a better climber... it rides more like a Carbolite frame in that respect.

Am hoping to get a Huret front lever derailleur for the UO8 which has a screw drive and is a much more refined unit that than the simple Competition shifter and have fenders and racks to install... will give the bike a close half step like the UE and PLX instead of a 42/52.

Have always wanted to find a PX but have only seen one in the wild here and it's not for sale... as the top of the line model from it's era they are rarer and harder to come by than the lowly U series bikes which seem to be getting harder to find as well.
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The PA10 was kind of an oddball model that shared the same tubing as the U series with the lugs, forged dropouts and tubular tires of the other P series models. It was their entry level racer. They didn't sell well, so they're fairly rare. The owner of the shop where I worked refused to order them because he couldn't sell them. Everything on mine has been upgraded, mostly with PX10 parts. It has aero levers with a second set of cyclocross levers because my daughter rides it and she likes them.



I also have a PX10.

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