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Old 05-27-10, 11:43 AM
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Fenders for Centurion Ironman

I know there are issues with fender compatibility due to clearance, just wanted to confirm that these will work. Any one use em? Are these the ones to get?


https://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1079

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P35 Road Silver 35mm 700 x 18-25

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I can't think of any fender that will work. 700x25 tires barely fit, and 700x28's generally rub.
Good luck, though, and if it works, that will be a cool variation on an Ironman. Maybe if you get some 700x20 tires or so.

I was buying some used STI's, today, and noticed the seller's bike was a very nice 6700 Ultegra hot-rodded 1990's era Cannodale frame. We got to talking, and I mentioned an Ironman. Sure enough, he reaches into a closet, pulls out an '86 Ironman frame, braze-on's removed, getting ready to strip and paint for a single speed. Not a Drew at all, but a skilled mechanic who knows what he wants, and the frame was beyond cosmetic repair, anyway.
Can't wait to see his version.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
and if it works, that will be a cool variation on an Ironman..
Hope it does. I'm heading off to Dublin for the next year and bringing my bike with.
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I have to agree with Robbie, only a little more strongly. I have an Ironman and I have a pair of SKS fenders for my Trek 520. There is no way you are going to get those fenders on that bike. I would suggest you look at fenders that mount on the seat post. If you are planning on doing some bike touring in Ireland, I would suggest you try and find an old rigid mountain bike. There are a bunch out there for under $100. They are pretty easy to convert to touring bikes. Search the touring forum and you will see what can be done.
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Old 05-27-10, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
....There is no way you are going to get those fenders on that bike..... If you are planning on doing some bike touring in Ireland....
Bummer...
Thanks for the info on the tourer.
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Old 05-28-10, 08:30 AM
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Just found this comment in an old thread!!!

Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
I have 700x23c's on mine with fenders, and very little clearance, but it still works.
https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/59242-centurion-ironman-restoration.html


I PMed Patriot for info but it seems he hasnt posted since end on last year....
but at least there is hope!
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Old 05-29-10, 05:47 AM
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Thought I'd throw this idea out there for you.



I've used Berthouds on four Centurions that I've rebuilt for friends. The first set was installed by a local shop, and from there I was on my own.

I've ended up building my own "hanging" hardware.

The bikes are used as commuters and "very" light tourers with saddle bags.

Largest tire you can cram in there is a 700 X 23 with the Berthouds. Gatorskins work, but are kind of a pain due to their higher profile.

It is also a bit tricky to get a nice line on the fenders, but no one has had negative comments so far.
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Those fenders don't look safe, simply to close. My Centurions, I have four, will barely take a 25mm tire. The pinch at the fork top and rear brake stay looks really close.

The frame looks kinda big for you.
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Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
The frame looks kinda big for you.
I've found the putting a Brooks on a bike instantly makes it look too big for a rider. Mainly because they tend to be quite a bit taller than most saddles.
And some people like riding bikes that are generally too big for them (not saying this one is), because they like a longer top tube.
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Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
Those fenders don't look safe, simply to close. My Centurions, I have four, will barely take a 25mm tire. The pinch at the fork top and rear brake stay looks really close.

The frame looks kinda big for you.
Yep, only 1,700 miles of unsafe commuting for my buddy Bill. I'll call him right after I get done typing this little thank you.

.........Hello, Bill. Yep. This is Bill. Take the fenders off the bike immediately. Some guy on the internet is worried for your safety. Jeeeeeesh!

Also, thanks for your expert opinion on bike fitting. Always wonderful to know there is someone on the internet looking out for our personal safety and comfort.

Did it ever dawn on you Loose Chain that this is an unfinished specimen?

Is it also possible that one of the better racing mechanics in the Midwest actually helped me put it together? He did.

Did you read my post where I stated the largest tire I can cram in there is a 700 x 23? Please feel free to do so at your convenience.

Could you ask questions next time instead of critique?

By the way, why don't you toss a bike up on the forum and let me take a few whacks at it.

On second thought, don't bother.

I am going for a ride.

By the way, good points Gene!
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I'm liking that Centurion Gomango. Nicely done.
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Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
Those fenders don't look safe, simply to close.
Just curious what would make the lack of clearance unsafe? Wouldn't friction be about the worst result?
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Old 05-29-10, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by northbend View Post
I'm liking that Centurion Gomango. Nicely done.
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My ironman is the same colors too. I already ordered the SKS fenders so I'll give them a try once I get em, and if they dont work I'll be looking to get some Berthouds. Thanks for the input.
So you had to ditch the hardware that comes with and get something a bit shorter??
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What can make it unsafe is sucking one into the wheel due to insufficient clearance and jamming the wheel with subsequent loss of control.

Proper leg extension (for cycling) for a given human specimen is always the same regardless of what bike or type of bike they ride, with some adjustment for shoes, foot size, crank length, other than that, it is always .883X your PBH is your saddle height. Nearly all cycling coaches, fitters, regardless of the exact euqation or method they use wind up fitting a cyclist very close to the universal .883XPBH. Therefore, a very low saddle or a very high saddle either indicates improper saddle height setting or by purpose or accident or other, have chose a frame that is large or small which is their preference and that is fine as long as they can get a leg extension that will be efficient and not damage their knees. You only got one set of knees.

I flatted a front tire, I had a set of fenders really close thinking that I was being aerodynamic, the front fender was taken under fully jamming the wheel and I lost control. If this is not a concern to you and you feel similar incidents could not result from your installation then I retract my "unsafe" comment.
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Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
What can make it unsafe is sucking one into the wheel due to insufficient clearance and jamming the wheel with subsequent loss of control.
I see. The SKS fenders mentioned above have a break away feature to prevent such disasters. Hope they fit the bike cause that sounds like a good feature to have.
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Hey folks, bear in mind those fenders are on a Lemans RS. There is more clearance on that frame, and eyelets. I have a Lemans RS and am putting fenders on it. The slightly relaxed geometry and Tange 2 frame make, in my opinion, a great light tourer. With 36-sp wheels tensioned for the weight, a smooth 3x7 RSX group, and some light panniers, the bike is a nice all-day tourer.

I simply don't know about an Ironman frame and fenders. The clearance on the front fork on my '89 Ironman models is just not sufficient for fenders, so I've never tried, and never will. If I want another light tourer, I'll get another Lemans RS.

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The LeMans pictured, as mentioned, has more tire clearance than the Centurion Ironman, which also does not have eyelets etc. You might can fit fenders to an Ironman, if so, please post the pics and instructions, but me, I think I will use a more suitable bike.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Hey folks, bear in mind those fenders are on a Lemans RS. There is more clearance on that frame, and eyelets. I have a Lemans RS and am putting fenders on it. The slightly relaxed geometry and Tange 2 frame make, in my opinion, a great light tourer. With 36-sp wheels tensioned for the weight, a smooth 3x7 RSX group, and some light panniers, the bike is a nice all-day tourer.

I simply don't know about an Ironman frame and fenders. The clearance on the front fork on my '89 Ironman models is just not sufficient for fenders, so I've never tried, and never will. If I want another light tourer, I'll get another Lemans RS.

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Hi Robbie,

I'm not sure of the year, but I have an Ironman frame in the garage. It is purple/yellow in color, and really a knock out. The guy I got it from bought it at a local swap meet, with f/f/bb but nothing else.

If I have some time this weekend, I'll see what I can figure out.

By the way folks, a Lemans RS is a great bike, and I think you know how I love these beauties.

P.S. Robbie, I saw the kissing cousin to your beautiful Centurion/Cinelli this morning on our ride. Man, are those lookers.

....and no, she had no interest in selling the bike.
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Hi Robbie,

By the way folks, a Lemans RS is a great bike, and I think you know how I love these beauties.

P.S. Robbie, I saw the kissing cousin to your beautiful Centurion/Cinelli this morning on our ride. Man, are those lookers.

....and no, she had no interest in selling the bike.
Try charm AND money.....
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I've had fenders on my Centuerion for years. I run 23c tires though. However, when standing and climbing, I do notice a bit of rub. As a result, I got into the habit of climbing while seated in low gear, and using the tops vs. standing and using the hoods, like I readily do on my high end roadies.

I will admit, after years of commuting, I realized I have evolved into a whimp, and don't commute as much in the rain anymore. I try to schedule my commutes on better days. I guess I'm spoiled. So, I pulled my fenders.

I will one day buy a new frame that is made for fenders. Personally, I'd love to find an old red Salsa La Raza, with all the needed eyelets.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
I can't think of any fender that will work. 700x25 tires barely fit, and 700x28's generally rub.
Good luck, though, and if it works, that will be a cool variation on an Ironman. Maybe if you get some 700x20 tires or so.

I was buying some used STI's, today, and noticed the seller's bike was a very nice 6700 Ultegra hot-rodded 1990's era Cannodale frame. We got to talking, and I mentioned an Ironman. Sure enough, he reaches into a closet, pulls out an '86 Ironman frame, braze-on's removed, getting ready to strip and paint for a single speed. Not a Drew at all, but a skilled mechanic who knows what he wants, and the frame was beyond cosmetic repair, anyway.
Can't wait to see his version.
Maybe I can save the 88 DS expert frame I have by going SS. The RD cable braze on is swiss cheese with rust. Problem is the seat post clamp area isn't much better. Still trying to get the seat post out. did manage to get the rest of the parts off. $20 complete other then a missing rear brake.
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Yeah, why don't you just go fenders designed for racing bikes with little/no clearance? I feel like any "normal" fender you find is going to need serious kludging to make it even kinda work.
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