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Are there any classic bladed type spokes that does not require "slotting" the hubs??

Old 06-01-10, 12:47 PM
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Are there any classic bladed type spokes that does not require "slotting" the hubs??

I don't think so, but I'd like to check anyway just in case before I start building my classic aero wheels. I suspect that there could never be enough spoke material if they bladed the spokes to fit the standard holes on a hub, but maybe there were special bladed spokes developed then that had "S" bent ends instead of the standard spoke heads?? Anyone here know?? Bladed spokes would be a nice touch, but I really dont want to be messing about slotting hub spoke holes and possible goofing it up.
Any information would be appreciated.

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Old 06-01-10, 02:16 PM
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Hoshi bladed spokes are just as you describe, no need to slot. Performance mail order shop used to carry thier own house brand of similar bladed spokes like this too.

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Old 06-01-10, 02:23 PM
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Yep, Hoshi's are the way to go. Mind you they are hard to find and not cheap nowadays. I got mine from YellowJersey here in Madison WI. https://www.yellowjersey.org/ Scary website, but Andy (owner) is very knowledgeable and has nearly everything you would ever want.
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I got an Araya Super Aero wheel with bladed spokes. The spokes are plastic/carbon? Thy dont have a name just "patent pending" on them but the main part of the spoke is plastic and the rim and hub ends screw into it. I dont know how strong they are but I rode on it for about 6 months with no problems other than having to true it every week or so.
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What you want is elliptical spokes. Sheldon Brown describes them thusly:

"Æro (elliptical) spokes are a variety of double-butted spoke in which the thin part is swaged into an elliptical cross section, making these spokes a bit more ærodynamic than round-section spokes. The most widely available spokes of this type are the Wheelsmith Æro. These are 2.2 x 1.8 mm at the ends, and the middles are equivalent to 16 gauge, but in the form of a 1.8 x 1.2 mm ellipse. The Wheelsmith Æro is my favorite spoke for high-performance applications, not just because of whatever ærodynamic advantage it may offer, but because the flat center section provides an excellent visual indicator to help the wheelbuilder eliminate any residual twist in the spoke. This helps build a wheel that will stay true. "

Here's what they look like:



I doubt if they make you faster, but they sure make wheelbuilding easier.

No modification of the hub is needed.

Regarding the Hoshi spokes, Sheldon said this:

"There was a fad in the early '90s for Hoshi "blades" which had a double bend instead of a conventional head. The double bend allowed the spokes to be inserted "head first" into the hub flange, so that they could be used with normal hubs. Unfortunately, they turned out to be prone to breakage, and I can't recommend them."

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Thanks very much for the great input guys! I'll try and check out both Hoshi "S" ended and also Wheelsmith Aero ellipticals as you guys recommended and see what I can handle budget-wise and just finding where to buy them - .....wise
I would have never known where to start without this vital info. Don't know if I'm ready to deal with CF/"plastic" spokes just yet though......

Thanks again!

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I used the Hoshi's on racing wheels back in the 90s quite extensively. Under racing stress they work fine in the front but are prone to breakage in the rear. I was a Cat 2 racing at about 160 lbs. A gal or light person might not break them. I also slotted dura ace hubs and used DT blades which seemed to be bomb proof in any application.
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Probably not C&V, but the Sapim CXray fits the bill.
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Probably not C&V, but the Sapim CXray fits the bill.
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If you're looking for a great reliable aero spoke the CX-Rays are awesome! However if you're looking for something rare-ish, unique, and of-the-era, Hoshi's are just that, in my opinion at least.

I did have a few start to crack on me where they go through the hub. Had to replace around 4 on the whole wheel, but I bought the wheel used and don't know how many miles were on them beforehand. Sheldon speaks the truth, however he is all about practicality rather than aesthetic/collector value.

Here are some on the front wheel of my '86 Bill Davidson laced to a Dura Ace 7400 hub:
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I know I am replying to a very old thread, but I just bought 4 vintage bikes, and a box of parts, from the past owner's son. Owner passed on a couple of years ago, and the son decided to get rid of everything. Anyway, in the box are 32 Hoshi bladed spokes. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can measure and get you pics and everything.
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Hi, I replied to this about my bladed spokes and someone sent me a pm....I cannot read them as I have not posted 10 posts on here. Feel free to message me directly: mattdiano and it is a yahoo addy!
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That is a beautiful bike!
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Hi, I replied to this about my bladed spokes and someone sent me a pm....I cannot read them as I have not posted 10 posts on here. Feel free to message me directly: mattdiano and it is a yahoo addy!
That was me.
Just sent you an email.
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I used Alpine Aero spokes. They're not "bladed" but flattened. I have used them on my Campy Record hubs with Spline Drive alloy nipples and never had a problem

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