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Raleigh Sicorro, built by Carlton/ Craftsmen

Old 06-04-10, 10:52 AM
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Raleigh Sicorro, built by Carlton/ Craftsmen

Has anybody any idea what this means: were Raleigh's built by Carlton? Can't find info on it on the net so anybody?

The bike is from 1980.



Meant a Sirocco of course....

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Old 06-04-10, 11:37 AM
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Pictures would help.
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Old 06-04-10, 11:49 AM
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I'm not really sure what you are asking. I believe that Raleigh, or the company that owned Raleigh bought Carlton probably sometime before the 70's. Raleigh used the Carlton factory and a kept the bicycles very similar to the Carlton models. You see Carlton stickers on Raleigh, but Raleigh is still the manufacturer. I am sure they probably retained a number of the Carlton employees though there may be a time when the brands were almost identical.
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Just curious, how do you know the bike is from 1980? I googled "Raleigh Sirocco" and found this BF thread:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/352695-raleigh-sirocco.html

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Ok,

the previous owner bought it in 1980, new from a bikeshop, he told me.

I just got confused that the framestickers said Raleigh but a small one said: ' built by Craftsmen at Carlton'

I'll post the pics as soon as I have them!
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Sure it's not spelled "Scirocco" (Desert wind) like the VW??

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Has anybody any idea what this means: were Raleigh's built by Carlton? Can't find info on it on the net so anybody?
Raleigh bought Carlton in the mid 60's and used the Carlton factory in Worksop to produce some bicycle models while other models were made in the original Nottingham factory.
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here's a link with some pics...

https://link.marktplaats.nl/350863184

txt in dutch...
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Carlton became the group known as "Worksop". For a while these serial numbers began with W. They made many of the high-end bikes. As I understand it, that's why Raleigh bought Carlton in the first place.

All this history is "out there" on the Internet (from which you can believe everything you read .) I have a Raleigh/Carlton and it is very nice.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller View Post
Carlton became the group known as "Workshop". For a while these serial numbers began with W. They made many of the high-end bikes. As I understand it, that's why Raleigh bought Carlton in the first place.

All this history is "out there" on the Internet (from which you can believe everything you read .) I have a Raleigh/Carlton and it is very nice.
You've got it wrong. The Carlton factory was in the town of Worksop.
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Read all about it:

https://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ha...#_Toc485366700

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https://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/history.htm
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So did Raleigh buy Carlton or was it Tube Investments?

Something I have pondered, In my head real Carltons were nicer bikes. Is that only because Carton was bought out before the boom hit? If Carlton existed on it's own through the 70s would their bikes have been any better? I wonder if Raleigh was responsible for amping up production at the cost of quality. There is no way to really know, but I have thought about it.
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Pre 1960 Carltons are considered more desireable because they say quality went down after the Raleigh buy out. My '59 Carlton seems to bear that out. They cetainly did nicer work on the Capella lugs than they did on the ones on my '74 Raleigh Competition. They don't look bad now, but that's because I spent hours cleaning them up and thinning them.
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