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Old 06-06-10, 07:23 PM
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Phil, Weyless hub questions

I need a new wheelset for my commuter/touring bike, rear spacing is 126. I was looking at a nice used old school set, rear Phil hub, but 120 spacing. My question - can this be made to work without much trouble/expense? And if I decided to get the hub rebuilt, do these have to be sent in? And can the same hub be rebuilt to a 126? I know these are newbie questions, but I don't (yet) have any Phil experience and it's a cool looking hub.

Also, the front is a sweet Weyless hub, very smooth. Anyone know if the cartridge bearings in these are easily replaceable, or another propriatary and impossible to find/service item? btw, both hubs are laced to true Super Champion rims - truly old-school stuff.

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Old 06-06-10, 07:56 PM
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I think the Weyless might have to be pressed apart, so it can't be in a wheel. Don't know though. It seems to me that the bearing is probably standard. It takes a fairly high volume to get into a custom bearing

I would email PW about the spacing. The new ones are field repairable, dont' think the old ones were
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I think the Weyless might have to be pressed apart, so it can't be in a wheel. Don't know though. It seems to me that the bearing is probably standard. It takes a fairly high volume to get into a custom bearing

I would email PW about the spacing. The new ones are field repairable, dont' think the old ones were
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Most steel frames will have no issue being cold set from 126 to 120. Not that I know the correct approach but I'm sure someone will chime in. A beautiful wheelset.
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I need a new wheelset for my commuter/touring bike, rear spacing is 126. I was looking at a nice used old school set, rear Phil hub, but 120 spacing. My question - can this be made to work without much trouble/expense? And if I decided to get the hub rebuilt, do these have to be sent in? And can the same hub be rebuilt to a 126? I know these are newbie questions, but I don't (yet) have any Phil experience and it's a cool looking hub.

Also, the front is a sweet Weyless hub, very smooth. Anyone know if the cartridge bearings in these are easily replaceable, or another propriatary and impossible to find/service item? btw, both hubs are laced to true Super Champion rims - truly old-school stuff.

Thanks.
Respacing a steel frame from 126mm to 120mm should be no problem. Since you're in Stumptown, there's probably a bunch of shops that can do the deed. When I've had frame stuff I can't handle myself (which ain't much), I've gone to Bicycle Repair Collective: https://www.bicyclerepaircol.net/ on Belmont. They're old school- they may be able to tell you if your Phil hub is rebuildable, also.
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Old 06-07-10, 08:32 AM
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I'm pretty sure the Weyless uses a standard size cartridge bearing, but the pair I had were original and included very old (and "rare" I guess) phenolic resin/fibre seals, so I opted to lift the seals out and clean-repack the bearings leaving them in place. Something you can also do with the rubber-sealed Phil bearings, too, and it's always less chance for screw-ups if you don't have to press bearings out and in again (and eventually the alloy shell will wear and press-fitting won't work). If you need a smaller or larger axle, Phil can probably sell you the axle end(s) you need as well as do the work in-shop, but they probably will want you to send the hub alone, not a wheel.
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I have some wheels with Weyless hubs. If I had a lathe, I would make a little axle extender to make the hub 126. But I'm not riding vintage stuff anymore, so it's just collecting spiderwebs now.
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The Phil needs to be pressed apart also. It can be re-spaced to 126 also. The shipping and labor would be cheaper if it was hub only.
Phil has prices on their website under, I think, extended hub services. You would be looking at a bearing and axle charge probably somewhere in the ballpark of 60 to 90 for the rear.
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