cnnrmccloskey

Anyone recognize anything telling, obviously been riden hard and put away wet, also the freewheel seems to be half-way through a destructive removal








Thanks in advance

unworthy1

they are genuine Nervex pro lugs and the fork might be a newer replacement...it had a head badge, and the DOs don't look familiar, can you scrape some gunk off and shoot that detail again? No braze-on shifter bosses, brakes are nutted, cabling suggests a mid/late '70s, but fork is kind of '80s French (like Motobecane). Next clues: seat post size and BB threading...

Drakonchik

Based on the 4th photo, I'm wondering if somebody possibly overtightened the clamp for the downtube shifters. The tubing almost looks crushed on the right under the right shifter. It is possible for this to happen if a gorilla mechanic overtightens a clamp. Hopefully not, maybe just a trick of the light, but that's my 2c.

GrayJay

Non-QR hubs, dork disk and rims make me think that the wheelset is not original to the bike. Headset looks awefully cheap for an otherwise campy bike so perhaps it was added when the fork was replaced? The modolo calipers look more like 80's vintage replacements. Good luck getting it refurbished and back on the road.

unterhausen

I think you have a point, but I don't think that's possible. Seems more likely that the shifters were hit from the side. Of course, it could be a trick of the light.


double taper seat stays and Nervex lugs seem like a strange combination. Suggests Columbus tubing. We need to know the threading of the BB and the size of the seat post

repechage

My guess-

Northern European. Suntour dropouts, European fittings elsewhere.
Replacement fork, which also pushes Flanders etc, as the headset looks original.
So, not French. maybe Dutch.
Wild guess. Schroder.
Not much on this make, but they are still in business I think.

R&R the shifter clamp, I bet there is evidence of a Simplex single sided braze on that was removed by force, but hopefully just a dent and not a hole.

cudak888 

That they are, though someone did some creative filing on them:







Looks as if the side pattern was re-shaped in the style of the Prugnat 62's.

-Kurt

cnnrmccloskey

Thanks for all the responses, I'll measure the seatpost and cheack the BB threading in the morning, I will definatly look at the tubing uder the dt shifters, but I think its a trick of the light.

John E

Yes, please post BB shell width (68 or 70mm) and threading (35x1 French, 35x1 Swiss, 1.375x24 ISO, 36x24 Italian), seatpost diameter (26.4, 27.2mm, etc.), and seat tube outer diameter (28.0 or 28.6mm).

repechage

Well?

I will say I like the look of the metal under the paint.

cnnrmccloskey

Sorry didn't get around to it today but I can say the tubing is definatly not crushed

jacksbike

My 2 cents and guess is that it is a French frame =based on the lugs and the headset. Modolo brakes seems to be a curious add - on. Sorry state for what was once a nice bike, but good luck restoring it.

1 Lugnut

+1...

My first thought was that it might be French also. Over the years I've owned several French bikes, all bearing resemblance to the OP's. Lugwork, fluted stays, Campy cmpnts. Also: the mid 70's Motobecane I have originally came w/ a StrongLite Hdset, that looks close to what's on that bike. Fork def is a replacement...

repechage

The reason I don't think its French is for those reworked head lugs, I would push it back to the 70's or 60's, not the 60's as it has Suntour rear dropouts, a 70's thing, picked up by Japanese and Benelux builders. The stay ends are not typical French, there were a few French builders doing them that way, but not very many and those who were were very small builders. The components are a total mash up, anything and everything could have been changed, the headset looks most likely original out of all of it.

Happy to hear the downtube is not botched. The resprays on this thing look like they were done right over the original finish, I bet no prep, or very little, careful removal, maybe with goo gone as its probably rattlecan or similar means might uncover the truth.

dmp

1lugnut, I don't think that's a Stronglight headset- it is stamped "Japan"

1 Lugnut

You're correct. My eyes are failing me. I couldn't quite make out the lettering on the race adjusting nut. I went & dug out the old Sronglight Hdset I have & it's def different than what's shown...my bad!