Speaking of Paramounts
 

Looks to me like someone got a pretty nice deal on a clean '68 with some desirable parts (151 BCD Campagnolo cranks, Record rear derailleur):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...OIBUAA:US:1123

What a beauty! Definitely a verg good deal! There was a Paramount I came close to pulling the trigger on, a beautiful red one, last week that went for about that price, but I just decided if I get a Paramount I want a chrome one.

what are some reasons to let this one go?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SCHWINN-PARAMOUN...item4aa29ea409

the bike in the op is nice, but whenever I see a seatpost like that, I think that I'll need to get a new seatpost and possibly grind the old one out

same thing with the seatpost, needs decals, otherwise hard to judge condition

It looks like it is a model that is supposed to have 27" wheels on it but the wheels are 700c

thanx guys, i feel better now...

P15. Odd bars - look like Cinelli drops.

-Kurt

I asked the seller to send me detailed pics showing the condition of the bike better. Seller never responded

Honestly...at that price you can probably fix whatever you don't like and still come out low.

No P-15 in '68.

Sorry - shrinkboy should have started his own thread instead of glomming onto mine. Shrinkboy - take it somewhere else.

Roger, was referring to the red example.

Not surprised at the '68s price. I'd expect most folks to hold out for a '66 or earlier to avoid the Prugnat lugs.

-Kurt

I know what Roger was referring to - that's why I thought the polite thing would have been to start his own thread.

Personally, I am surprised at the '68 price, as I don't think the Prugnat lugs are that worthy of avoidance - many of the Paramount folks I know feel that a Prugnat Paramount is one important arrow in the Paramount quiver. Plus, I think the Campagnolo 151 cranks and Record RD offset any Prugnaut-repugnance to a significant degree. I sold a chrome '68 not long ago for $1400+ without the 151's - personally, I'd rather own the yellow one.

um, er, uh...ok.

Sorry - crabby yesterday. You did pretty much hijack the thread two posts in, but I probably facilitated that with my choice of tread title.

Are you saying P15's are less desirable? How come?

Wait, you have a Grandis. Obviously a person of superior taste - hijack any time.

I had the good fortune of having a Grandis in the house for about a month...I bought one for Mrs. Snake until she decided she didn't like it. It was one of the most beautiful, detailed, cool bikes I've ever laid my hands or eyes on. The etched headbadge was AWESOME. I can't really comment on the ride since it was far too small for me...but I miss that bike.

Not so. Just pointing out the model. Might just as well be a P10 with a triple NR crankset added to it, though I doubt it.

-Kurt

Looks great to me, even with a few incorrect parts. Kool Lemon is one of the classic Schwinn signature colors.

Though I do like Prugnat Paramounts myself (as perhaps evidenced by that avatar of mine, no less), I must say that the Record RD/151 drivetrain mix generally has a greater draw for me. Same for the painted versions over the chrome - the chrome does become overwhelming after a while. Good stuff for show or a showroom floor, but it loses it's novelty quickly.

-Kurt

Welp, the red one sold for $669, a very good price I would say.

Is it just me or have prices for vintage bikes on eBay really tanked in the last few months?

"Compagnollo" components. They're far inferior to Campy bits.

:innocent:

I don't think it's just you. People have far less flex cash, so the price they're willing to pay for collectible bikes is going down. Or, at least that's my situation.

It's not just you...they've tanked...BADLY. I think it's a full third drop off. I just saw a C-Record group go for $650...that would have been $1000 last year.

The exception seems to be when I want to buy something...then it still goes high.