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Dirty tricks on Ebay... Grrr!

Old 08-05-10, 04:40 AM
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I never bid on reserve auctions because they annoy me. I assume if there is a reserve, the seller either doesn't really want to sell or has no clue what the market will bear and is wasting my time. If I see a reserve, I automatically move on. Whenever I list something, I try to do as others have said; if it's something popular & sought after, I start the auction at $0.99. If not, I set the starting price at the least I would take. The absolute least I would take - not what I would like to get. If it's something where there is a good record of previous sales, I research that, set a Buy it Now price based on that research, and set the starting price at around 50% of the BIN. That way the BIN won't disappear unless someone is pretty serious like it would if the starting price were low.
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Old 08-05-10, 05:19 AM
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I understand all these strategies for things that have thin markets like wrk101 mentions, but for the vast majority of bike parts, I set at 99 cents/no reserve and let the bidders sort it out. For most bike parts, at least common japanese/italian brands, there are always enough buyers to let the market figure out fair value. I've sold hundreds of of items, the only time I feel like I really got burned was selling a Greven Tortis pickguard (unused), turned out the market for this was pretty thin and the buyer got a heck of deal (which he even acknowledge post sale).

Beyond the liquid market issues, most bike part things are so lo buckage, couple hundred dollars at most in the vast majority of cases, it is hardly worth thinking about, especially if you are running lots of auctions.

I'm with Khatfull in that ebay is is mature now, pretty tough to game the system/buyers while playing within legit parameters. Lotsa stuff that worked a few years ago (zillions of photos, etc) make much less of a difference. Much of what we sell is somewhat commoditized, which means that the most money is to be made on the sellers cost of the item rather than being able to extract a premium price. In other words, the sell high part of "buy low/sell high" is capped fairly low on ebay, so keeping your costs down on what you sell is the other way to make money and is, imo, the place where a typical ebay seller has much more control of his destiny/profitability rather than angels dancing on the pinhead of reserves vs. minimum prices.
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Originally Posted by liquefied
That's a whole lot of conjecture.
It's not conjecture. It may not work out that way every single time of course, but the strategy of low opening bid with secret reserve is well established as being to the sellers advantage, and is backed up by the entire history of live auctions and the last ten years of online auctioneering.
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My bottom line is simple after 10 years on Ebay If you want to sell something on Ebay, put it on for the minimum you want to get! If it does not go the 1st time you can re-list for free and make adjustments.
It's true!.... Ebay used to be a fun auction venue. That's been ruined by A$%holes and Ebay themselves!
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eFray is simply a way to expand a market and supply some competition to that market.
It's not perfect, and I tend to use it to find retailers selling on line instead of actual items.
It's still a great way to find that part you'd never have gotten, otherwise.
The process, however, has become pretty perverted in many cases.

The distasteful "rest" of it, and I mean all the crap that goes on, is part of human nature.
No one keeps it simple, anymore. (Try buying a house)

Messing with eFray and Nagslist sellers has become a hobby for some people.
There probalby aren't enough "tire iron" treatments on the planet for them, but I'd sure like to give it a shot.

The vast majority of auctions with reserves are simply set that way to get a minimum amount for the item.
In most "real" auctions, the existence of a reserve is stated, not the amount, so no one knows if it's met until the bidding is over.
This way, the bidding is "normal" and goes on without the shenanigans you see on eChaos.
If the reserve is not met, it's simply not met, and often the winning bidder can find the seller and negotiate.
Not so, eBlaze; the reserve is sitting out there, and is a target for the crap people do.

I don't chase reserves, because you're really only bidding against the reserve, and yourself.
I send the seller a message saying I'm not chasing the reserve, but am interested.
Half the time they come back with a price.

The practice of chasing the reserve and then backing out is pretty fecal, if you axe me.
eNaye should establish sanctions for those who do so, like nix their buying on all items being watched for 8 days, effectively dumping them from the current cycle. Of course, then they'll stop watching and set up 2nd accounts. There's always a way to be dishonest.

I know a guy who sells used CD's and DVD's on line. He scours yard sales, thrift shops, you name it, and buys in bulk, then sells them on line. He has 5 or 6 eSplay accounts set up, and constantly bids against his buyers. He figures it's worth 25% in pricing, and when you sell $20,000 worth of DVD's a year, that's $5000. Honest? Nope. I have as little to do with him as possible. He sees nothing wrong with what he does.

eBay is about risk. You start an auction at .99 and you risk a low selling price. You buy something you haven't seen and you risk getting ripped off. Even when you follow the rules, you risk the consequences of vermin who don't.

Keeping it simple is the way to go.

Sell with a .99 starting price and take your chances, or a starting bid. Use BIN for the offer you won't refuse.
Reserves introduce and invite complications, no matter how logical they seem to be when listing.

Bid to buy and if you get it, fine. Know what you want to spend. Snipe if you think it helps.

Don't dwell on "what if?" because that drives you crazy.
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I'll take ebay with its negative aspects. I've made enough and found enough that I want to make it more than worthwhile. Nothing is perfect.
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