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Old 08-23-10, 02:52 PM
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Curved or Straight?

The Campagnolo Quick-Release skewer lever, that is.

Mostly with regard to the R/NR/SR lines.

What is the significance of the difference? I’d always just assumed that the straight release lever and lack of loop on the screw-nut were marks of the Tipo line.

But I also have a pair of high-flange Records that have straight QR levers and the loop on the end-nut.

A friend now tells me that these straight or flat release levers are far more valuable to collectors than the curved ones. Really?

Is there a specific distinction, either in function or in “collectability”, between the two?

Thank you.
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Old 08-23-10, 02:57 PM
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Pre CSPC or post CSPC act of 1978.

Other than that, who can tell what a collector may want?
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Old 08-23-10, 04:50 PM
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Really? I had no idea that was the reason. Thank you.

As for collectors... Exactly.
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Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
Really? I had no idea that was the reason. Thank you.

As for collectors... Exactly.
It's not so much "collectors", but getting the correct period part for the year of the bike. If you are building a bike from the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's, you would want to find the correct skewers to match to correct hub for that build.
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+1 regarding matching the correct levers/hubs for the bike's vintage.

There is one other, obscure set of Campy levers: the early flat levers that were curved specially for the 1967/68 Pista hubset. Really - Campy showed them in the end of year trade catalog in 1967; the front was a slightly-curved flat NR lever, the rear more acutely curved. I believe they were curved on the Pista set to keep them from getting opened up by an opponents' bike/feet in close combat. They seem pretty scarce.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
+1 regarding matching the correct levers/hubs for the bike's vintage.

There is one other, obscure set of Campy levers: the early flat levers that were curved specially for the 1967/68 Pista hubset. Really - Campy showed them in the end of year trade catalog in 1967; the front was a slightly-curved flat NR lever, the rear more acutely curved. I believe they were curved on the Pista set to keep them from getting opened up by an opponents' bike/feet in close combat. They seem pretty scarce.
I believe they were available earlier than that? I had a pair of Q/R Pista hubs date stamped 60/61 that had the factory curved levers.

It was also common for racers to curve flat levers themselves as a safety precaution.
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Could be - I only know that they only show up in that catalog. I always thought they didn't last long because the hollow axles just couldn't take the torque of the track...
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Originally Posted by Ragooch View Post
It's not so much "collectors", but getting the correct period part for the year of the bike. If you are building a bike from the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's, you would want to find the correct skewers to match to correct hub for that build.
Or if you're like me and you want to run 7 speeds/126mm spacing on your 60s/70s vintage bike and want to swap the longer skewers that came out in the late 70s with the straight levers of the earlier period to build a franken hub. That's my plan anyway.
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The flat levers are just the earlier levers, unless you have a pair that were curved before Campagnolo started offering it, like we did to ours in the early 70s!
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Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
The Campagnolo Quick-Release skewer lever, that is.

Mostly with regard to the R/NR/SR lines.

What is the significance of the difference? I’d always just assumed that the straight release lever and lack of loop on the screw-nut were marks of the Tipo line.

But I also have a pair of high-flange Records that have straight QR levers and the loop on the end-nut.
As noted above, the curved levers were a result of CPSC requirements in the late 70s. The consistent differences between Record and Tipo/Victory/Triomphe QR levers are the levers are held on with a threaded nut on Record skewers, but only a circlip on Tipo/Victory/Triomphe skewers. Record end caps have the loop, while Tipo/Victory/Triomphe caps do not.
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Old 08-25-10, 01:48 PM
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JDT,

Thank you for that detail. That, too, is very helpful. It seems that the C-Record skewers went back to a circlip. I have a NOS 130mm and no bike to put it on. I was looking to take it apart to swap in a shorter stem, and it doesn't present itself so easily for disassembly as does the nice Record skewers do. Viva NR/SR!
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