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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
(Post 11437747)
Exage came in several levels, kind of matched up with LX100; I've never seen levers that said "Exage"
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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike
(Post 11437783)
If you want the Shimano hierarchy 1990-1999, look no further: ADFC Fachausschuss Technik - Gruppenübersicht 1990-1999
Now just for fun, here are a couple links relevant to bicycles and shifting gears in the past. When were bicycle gears invented? - BikeRadar USA and History of bicycle derailleurs at Classic Cycle Bainbridge | Classic Cycle Bainbridge Island Kitsap County |
Originally Posted by bwilli88
(Post 19971321)
that era Shimano 600 was decorated with a neat flourish and there fore called Arabesque
Definition of Arabesque; The arabesque is a form of artistic decoration consisting of "surface decorations based on rhythmic linear patterns of scrolling and interlacing foliage, tendrils" or plain lines, often combined with other elements. |
Originally Posted by jimmuller
(Post 19971502)
Just one more reason I tend to avoid Shimano stuff. There are 1400 numbers, okay actually only 1399, between 6400 and 7800. Why did they use just some of them? Why switch to numbers at all? Their word engineers run out of ideas?
Certainly, between the part number stamping and date code I can identify and date most Shimano components from the late 1970s onwards, with relative ease. It also makes it far easier for the layman, as the formats and codes are readily available with a cursory search. Conversely, there were a lot of manufacturers who did not include group names, part numbers or date codes on their components. This makes it extremely difficult to properly identify parts, especially for those new to the sport. The mysticism associated with these parts appeals to a certain crowd, especially after they've learned the parameters for identification, but it doesn't make the components any better. |
Originally Posted by jimmuller
(Post 19971502)
Just one more reason I tend to avoid Shimano stuff. There are 1400 numbers, okay actually only 1399, between 6400 and 7800. Why did they use just some of them? Why switch to numbers at all? Their word engineers run out of ideas?
For instance, for middle-range rear derailleurs: 600EX (1982) RD-6200 600AX (1982) RD-6300 600 Ultegra (1988) RD-6400 Ultegra (1998) RD-6500 There are similar systems throughout the Shimano product lines. It makes it quite easy to track and compare components that are alternate versions from the same year. (For instance, Rapid-Rise vs. not, GS vs. SGS, etc.) |
Originally Posted by Jeff Wills
(Post 19974876)
It actually makes it more intuitive to follow component evolution through the years.
For instance, for middle-range rear derailleurs: 600EX (1982) RD-6200 600AX (1982) RD-6300 600 Ultegra (1988) RD-6400 Ultegra (1998) RD-6500 There are similar systems throughout the Shimano product lines. It makes it quite easy to track and compare components that are alternate versions from the same year. (For instance, Rapid-Rise vs. not, GS vs. SGS, etc.) Dura Ace - 7xxx Series numbers 600/Ultergra- 6xxx Series Numbers Sante - 5xxx Series numbers (Late 1980's) 105 - 105x or 5xxx Series Numbers (number scheme changed to 5xxx series when 9 speed was introduced So by having this we can start to decipher what it is. Shimano also has a standard for the type of component. like RD: Rear Derailleur FD: Front Derailleur SL: Shift Lever BR: Brake BL: Brake Lever HB: Hub FC: Front Chain Wheel (cranks) HP: Headset FH: Freehub Hub,eg Cassette Hub MF: Multi Speed Freewheel CS: Cassette Cluster BB: Bottom Bracket (there are more but thats what i can think of top of my head.) With that we can figure out what say a mystery front Derailleur has stamped on it as FD-6401 FD= Front Derailuer 6xxx Series would be 600/Ultegra 401 would be the 4th generation 2 revision of the piece in this case:8 speed so we have a 600 Ultegra 8 Speed front derailleur MTN grouppos have a similiar hierarchy |
Originally Posted by fleslider
(Post 19974936)
To build upon that, they are Shimano Part numbers.
... So by having this we can start to decipher what it is. Shimano also has a standard for the type of component. Three or four model names are fairly easy to follow, and the concept of hierarchy is meaningful only for models which are contemporary. Part numbers are essential for good manufacturing and engineering and inventory control. But a number such as 6401 could fall anywhere in the manageably convenient part of the infinite number line. Thus it is immemorable, forgettable. And there are lots of other 6401's in the world. Other than taking up more space a value like 672434.7 or 0x0F33FE56 could be perfectly equivalent. To Shimano's credit they seem to have maintained a numerical hierarchy which reflects the "quality" or price range. But even that needn't have been true. I'd rather have to remember a name like Exage, as silly as it is, than remember an arbitrary number. Which that's just my opinion, now ain't it? |
Originally Posted by jimmuller
(Post 19975049)
Which that's just my opinion, now ain't it?
Fun fact: the original Deore group was for touring. (Take a look at the 1982 dealer catalog.) All of the components featured a deer logo. I think that "Deore" is a Japanese corruption of "deer" or it may simply be an adaptation of the English word. http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/dow...le.php?id=2257 |
While Deore started out as a touring group in 1981, the stag's head emblem did not appear on the components until it was redesigned as an ATB group, circa 1983-1984. The application was further emphasized by adding the XT (cross terrain) suffix.
I believe that Dura-Ace is derived from Duraluminum or Dural, which which were trade names for an aluminum-copper alloy that was one of the earliest high strength aluminum alloys and popular in aviation applications. Like many name trade names, it was generically applied to any product made from high grade aluminum and continued in use long after the introduction of higher strength alloys. |
I understand your view, [MENTION=190941]jimmuller[/MENTION], and I share it slightly. Too many choices indicates they're more interested in increasing shelf-space, so to speak, the same way soap and toilet paper makers have different brands so you're almost sure to buy one of them. And the way Shimano's stuff goes obsolete quickly is annoying. But they deserve credit for lots of innovation. You can get a good value out of Shimano if buy something behind the leading edge, because that stuff is based on last year's Dura Ace improvements.
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I saved that XT pic, it's pretty sweet. 😎
Does anyone know about the chromy-looking Tri-color 600, compared to the more common gray-painted version? I just recently bought an '87 or '88 model year Cannondale, with the chromy type, partly because I couldn't recall seeing them before. 🙂 |
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