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The VO fender install directions are HORRENDOUS! How do I get these things on?

Old 09-13-10, 09:17 PM
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The VO fender install directions are HORRENDOUS! How do I get these things on?

Basically, they say: "oh, just put the thingys on the fenders and the bike. The end." Once they mention the usage of a washer and a locknut. Once. I need better directions. Anyone care to help?
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Old 09-13-10, 09:22 PM
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Haha! I remember the same thing, but I wouldn't be the best to give directions. Good luck!
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Old 09-13-10, 09:27 PM
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Where are you stuck?
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Old 09-13-10, 09:31 PM
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I got the stays on fine, but attaching any other part of it is sort of a mystery. The front L bracket for example. None of the bolts even fit through the mounting hole! If that actually takes a bolt/nut, and the eyelets on the frame also take bolts/nuts, then I don't even have enough nuts. Absurd.
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I also have 8 lock washers. Where do they go?
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Originally Posted by stien View Post
I got the stays on fine, but attaching any other part of it is sort of a mystery. The front L bracket for example. None of the bolts even fit through the mounting hole! If that actually takes a bolt/nut, and the eyelets on the frame also take bolts/nuts, then I don't even have enough nuts. Absurd.
You are going to have to post some images to get much help.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
You are going to have to post some images to get much help.
You're right. I'mm heading to bed soon. Will have to be tomorrow night. The fenders are 37mm, pre-drilled.
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Well, did you purchase an incomplete set or were they new from VO? As I remember, you get the fenders, stays, bolts and mounts for the stays( to attach to the bike) Dhruma(?) bolt and washer. What type of bike are you putting them on? Any pics of the project?
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Old 09-13-10, 09:40 PM
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This all brand new from VO. You are correct. Going on my Austro-Daimler. I have pics of the bike but not the hardware right now.
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Old 09-13-10, 09:50 PM
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Here is a link to Peter White Cycles instructions for mounting metal fenders. Not exactly like VO fenders but should be close enough to guide you.

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/berthoudinst.asp
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https://info.velo-orange.com/Instruct...er/Fender.html
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Old 09-14-10, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
Here is a link to Peter White Cycles instructions for mounting metal fenders. Not exactly like VO fenders but should be close enough to guide you.

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/berthoudinst.asp
Excellent, thanks! Now I need to figure out why they only sent me 6 nuts when I need 7.

Gee, thanks. The same directions they sent with the fenders.
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Old 09-14-10, 06:33 AM
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I just read the directions and seems very straight forward to me. The only thing that they could do better would be to show a picture of what parts are included. Perhaps something is missing or perhaps they sent you too many parts.
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I had no trouble following the VO instructions. They assume that you have some mechanical aptitude since you've elected to install them yourself.
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Stein,
My first fender installation was not easy going especially because I was mounting a front rack that shared two mounting points with the front fender. I have installed a handful of sets since and it has become exponentially easier and faster. When you resume your work post some photos and let us know where you are in the process. You will likely need a marker, hacksaw, metal file, and steel wool. A Dremel tool is very handy. A modified wine cork works great as a spacer between the fender and chain stay bridge. Patience is key. You will need to mount and remove each wheel several times.

What model AD do you have? What size wheels and tires? What model brake are you using? It would be impracticable for VO to supply hardware for all conceivable mounting options. You'll likely need to take a trip to the hardware store.

Edit: On second thought, you probably won't have to modify the rear fender at the chain stays for 37mm fenders.

I helped install these for a friend Sunday.



Don't get too frustrated, Stein. We'll get you through it!

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Old 09-14-10, 07:48 AM
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i have the VO 37mm pre-drilled fenders as well, stein. i had no problems installing them on my raleigh comp, although i did have to DIY some of the mounting hardware. that was due to no fault of the fender hardware, but of the bike itself.

rear fender:



front fender:



r-clip:



front fork crown daruma bolt (needed two rubber washers for proper fender line):



seatstay bridge bracket:



chainstay bridge (this is where i had to use a P-clamp since there was no mounting hole; i also used an aluminum spacer to achieve a proper fender line):



hope this helps!
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The last two posts=spot on. Thanks guys. My A-D has 700c wheels, 23c tires. I really just needed to know which nuts and bolts went where. I'll need to grab some more nuts assuming my frame eyelets aren't threaded.

I do have a mounting point near the rear of the BB shell. Did you use leather washers on the frame end of the stays?
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The last two posts=spot on. Thanks guys. My A-D has 700c wheels, 23c tires. I really just needed to know which nuts and bolts went where. I'll need to grab some more nuts assuming my frame eyelets aren't threaded.

I do have a mounting point near the rear of the BB shell. Did you use leather washers on the frame end of the stays?
Yes, you'll need nuts if you're eyelets aren't threaded. This makes installation a bit more challenging when you only have two hands. You do not need leather washers on the eyelets.

Stays:
At fender the sequence will be: eyelet bolt > leather washer > fender > star washer > nylon lock nut
At the dropout eyelet the sequence will be: allen bolt > R clip > eyelet > nut (if eyelet is not threaded)

At the fork crown:
Brake bolt > daruma bolt > metal washer > rubber washer > fender > star washer > nylon lock nut

At the chain stay bridge (if drilled - if not, ask southpawboston; he has great pics):
4M or 5M bolt (40-50mm long) > flat washer > rubber washer (or leather) > fender > cork (or subsitute) > chain stay bridge > rubber washer > flat washer > nylon lock nut

I see VO now sells a "spring thing" for the chain stay mount. This should work very well. You could piece it together at your hardware store I would think.

As for the rear brake bridge bracket: mount the sliding bracket to the brake bridge then position the fender against the bracket. Center it. Bend the bracket. Put some kind of protective tape on your lineman's pliers. Bend the tabs under the fender. Crimp with lineman's pliers.

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off topic, but colonel, let's see some more shots of your friend's lovely mixte!! did you build that for her?
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This is funny. It appears that all my mounting hardware bits are in the wrong places.
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off topic, but colonel, let's see some more shots of your friend's lovely mixte!! did you build that for her?
I did not build up Beth's mixte. She works part time at my LBS and it was a collaboration between she and the owner, Vic. Beth's blog has more photos of her bike.

I recently restored a late 70s Competition GS for a friend who uses it for everything including commuting. He could use some fenders. Now I can show him pics of your GS and say, "see for yourself". What a beautiful bike! It seems you have a very competent powder coater.

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This is funny. It appears that all my mounting hardware bits are in the wrong places.
Whatever gets the job done, brother!
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SKS, easy as cake
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SKS, easy as cake
SKS, plastic.
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Originally Posted by stien View Post
I got the stays on fine, but attaching any other part of it is sort of a mystery. The front L bracket for example. None of the bolts even fit through the mounting hole! If that actually takes a bolt/nut, and the eyelets on the frame also take bolts/nuts, then I don't even have enough nuts. Absurd.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I got here for the same reason. Seriously: none of the included bolts fits through the mounting hole for the front L-bracket. I suppose I'll just bore it out, but this certainly does add to the confusion.

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Originally Posted by southpawboston View Post
i have the VO 37mm pre-drilled fenders as well, stein. i had no problems installing them on my raleigh comp, although i did have to DIY some of the mounting hardware. that was due to no fault of the fender hardware, but of the bike itself.
Do you have pictures of this whole bike somewhere? Looks like it's probably a beauty! I kind of dream of having a nice black vintage 531 commuter someday, and I'd love to see the whole bike.
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