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Old 09-18-10, 09:53 PM
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Advice please -- Multivariable Sell Team Miyata / Build Up Pinarello -- Related

There are much more important things to think about. So why do I become preoccupied with these things.

Nonetheless, here is where I need your advice.

I have decided to eBay my very cherry 1986 Team Miyata, all stock / 6-speed DA except for the clinchers. It is just too small and I am selling off my too small bikes, even thought they are some of the most collectible in the collection.

At the same time, I am getting ready to build up my unconventional orange mid 80's Pinarello that just arrived and, no matter what the model, is quite gorgeous. I will get some detailed photos up soon.

Now, here is where I need your opinions:

Team Miyata:

I am considering using the components on the Pinarello.

-- How much of a price difference would there be between the bike as is and just the frame?

Building Pinarello:

I am parts heavy and want to use what I have around. Here are the options.

1) Build up the Pinarello with the DA from the Miyata as:

a) 6 speed with DTs
b) 8 or 9 speed (with Ultegra RD for 9) with bar ends or brifters.


2) Build up Pinarello with a mix of DA crank, 9-speed Ultegra DR's and brakes, barends or brifters.

Thanks so much,

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Check ebay history, but in my limited research, high end frames go for just about the same as the high end complete bikes. And a frameset is easier and cheaper to ship.

Buyers looking for a particular high end frame have their own preferences as to component group. So unless your group matches their build desire, you will be giving away the group (or selling it cheap).

I would either strip it and keep the group, or strip it and sell the group separately.

Just realize that there is tremendous variance in completed auction prices on ebay. Sometimes things go high, really high, other times they go cheap. And its not always the fault of the seller (good listings either way). Sometimes you just don't find a couple of must have it bidders. I am frequently surprised on what stuff I sell on ebay goes for.

I am facing a similar question right now. Keep my latest pickup stock (1985 Paramount with 6 speed DA), or upgrade it with a nine speed Dura Ace group. I'll probably go with the upgrade, but first I have to make sure the bike fits (similar to your situation, its somewhat small...)
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Thanks that is good advice from an experienced buyer/seller.

Anyone else? Anyone? Anyone?
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I know that this isn't an economics answer, but to me...the aesthetics and "right" matter here as well. I generally won't part out high end things like this where it is difficult for the next owner to rebuild as appropriate. To me...as a Miyata lover and someone who lusts for a Miyata Team...it is almost sacrilegious to break something like this up, even if it means I lose a hundred dollars. I face this question often, and if it's something I really like, I won't break it up. If it's something I don't care about...I will. Also, I think the more modern stuff you have would make that Pinarello more ride-able...and I know your first priority is ride quality.

I think for me the basic consideration would be would I rather have a Dura Ace group on a Team Miyata, where it belongs and always was, or on a Pinarello, where you're just tossing it on to toss it on. I'd leave it on the Miyata from a simple mis-en-place perspective.

I know the first consideration here is probably economics, and I think Wrk101 is exactly right on with what he said, but I'd personally rather lose a little money and keep it whole.
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I would not sell anything right now unless you have too. It is a buyers market, so I would look for the bits you need, which you will be able to pick-up cheap, and sell the bike complete when the market improves......
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I know that this isn't an economics answer, but to me...the aesthetics and "right" matter here as well. I generally won't part out high end things like this where it is difficult for the next owner to rebuild as appropriate. To me...as a Miyata lover and someone who lusts for a Miyata Team...it is almost sacrilegious to break something like this up, even if it means I lose a hundred dollars. I face this question often, and if it's something I really like, I won't break it up. If it's something I don't care about...I will. Also, I think the more modern stuff you have would make that Pinarello more ride-able...and I know your first priority is ride quality.

I think for me the basic consideration would be would I rather have a Dura Ace group on a Team Miyata, where it belongs and always was, or on a Pinarello, where you're just tossing it on to toss it on. I'd leave it on the Miyata from a simple mis-en-place perspective.

I know the first consideration here is probably economics, and I think Wrk101 is exactly right on with what he said, but I'd personally rather lose a little money and keep it whole.
Well said, and one of my concerns.
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I'll buy your Team Miyata stripped of all its DA stuff. (seriously)

IMHO the dura-ace stuff is nice but its not the best part of this bike by far...you can build these frames up with plenty of other stuff and it will perform as good or better. All that dura-ace 7400 stuff is really limited in chain wrap capacity and I don't find it particularly useful for the hills I encounter. The 7400 RD is a max cog of like 24T or 25T and its got a capacity of like 18T or something silly. If I was a flatlander it might be cool...or at least more useful.

That said, I've got dura-ace 7400 hubs on my '84 Team Miyata and you can pry them from my cold dead hands. They will spin for longer than Nigel Tufnel's guitar can sustain.
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I'll buy your Team Miyata stripped of all its DA stuff. (seriously)
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IMHO the dura-ace stuff is nice but its not the best part of this bike by far...you can build these frames up with plenty of other stuff and it will perform as good or better. All that dura-ace 7400 stuff is really limited in chain wrap capacity and I don't find it particularly useful for the hills I encounter. The 7400 RD is a max cog of like 24T or 25T and its got a capacity of like 18T or something silly. If I was a flatlander it might be cool...or at least more useful.

That said, I've got dura-ace 7400 hubs on my '84 Team Miyata and you can pry them from my cold dead hands. They will spin for longer than Nigel Tufnel's guitar can sustain.
Heh...you and everyone else here!
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I leave midgrade or lower bikes complete, and sell them locally, unless they have some special group (I have removed Sante groups and tri-color 600 for example). Mid grade and below bikes tend to be bought by people looking for a good, solid, rider. And the shipping premium on ebay offsets much of the value of a broader market. But sell something high end around here, and it just does not get much respect. Great if you are a buyer, not so hot as a seller. And some bike builds are just not desirable (your DA stuff should be pretty desirable).

Example, I picked up a Colnago Master Light locally two years ago with full Ultegra nine speed build. What percentage of Colnago buyers would want an Ultegra build? 1%? Maybe even less. So if I sold the bike complete on ebay, I would probably just get the value of the frameset. So rather than throw in about $500 worth of parts and get zero for them, I would strip them off, get the same for the Colnago frameset, and put the Ultegra stuff on one of my keepers.

Although your DA stuff is nice and original, there is likely to be many potential buyers that would strip the parts and replace them with a modern group of their liking.

As a practical matter, the buyer can always find DA stuff and build it back up if that is their desire. In fact, if you just put the frameset on ebay, you could consider offering the successful bidder the components after the auction. My guess is that the buyer will not want them (at least at near market value).

As a buyer on ebay, I love it when the seller leaves good components on a bike. My last keeper ebay bike buy was my Schwinn Prologue. It came with nice Shimano 600 tricolor components. I immediately built up the bike with a nine speed Ultegra group I had in hand (I wanted brifters). But I liked that the bike came with the 600 stuff, as it offset about 75% of what I paid for the bike. Great for me, not so hot for the seller.

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