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Tange and Champion tubesets: same tubes, different names?

Old 09-21-10, 09:26 AM
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Tange and Champion tubesets: same tubes, different names?

are tange and champion just different names for the same tubing from the same manufacturer? i.e., is tange #2 seamless the same tubing as champion #2 seamless? or are there differences besides the name?
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Tange is the company name.

Champion is the line name (4130 Cro-Mo).

#2 gives you a ballpark idea of the guage of the tubing.
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Yes, I think it's the case that early Tange tubesets (Chrome-Moly) were called "Champion" followed by number/grade and later they dropped the Champion "model name" and just used the company name. They produced so many tubesets (including different alloys) over the decades it was bound to get confusing.

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Originally Posted by mudboy
Tange is the company name.

Champion is the line name (4130 Cro-Mo).

#2 gives you a ballpark idea of the guage of the tubing.
so then, what's the difference between regular "tange" #2 and "champion" #2? different formulation?

EDIT: just saw your response, unworthy. but on the bikes in question, both the tange and the champion stickers specifically say "chromoly", not chromium-manganese.
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Yeah, I corrected that, but it was a deliberate selection done from (hazy) memory based on a recollection I had: for years I had assumed that all Tange tubing was chromium-molybdenum-steel alloy and I had been corrected some time back that there was a time (and I'm not thinking of any specific "Magny" tubing) when Tange made their tubes with manganese...then I checked for confirmation of that "correction" and couldn't find it, so went back to my original notion...wish I had either a photographic memory or none at all
Anyhow, since I'm in "guess" mode, I'll say that there's no difference between the two #2's except for the label. (50-50 that I'm right)
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Centurion for one seems to have gone from using Champion #1 and #2 on their higher end bikes to Tange #1 and #2 on the same models or their replacements in the early 80s. Ipso facto: they are the same product with different names, though who knows, perhaps with an updated formulation somewhere along the line.
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the proper discussion to define differences is .. Tube Wall Thicknesses,
in decimal MM .. or decimal fractions

as said #2 is a hint, a stock number , but to know you need data .. wall thickness..

Butted is thicker on the end than the middle , double butt is X, X-1, X..

Triple Butt is X, X-1, X+1.. [ where 1 is a number + & - are less or more,
not necessarily exactly a 1]

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I sure don't know.
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Just a change in naming convention....Datsun instead of Nissan. Same spec tubing. Tange's manganese tubing was called Mangaloy (edit).

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I have a Tange catalog from the early 80s on line that may answer some of your questions:

https://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/tange-catalog.pdf
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Tange has an awesome website. Some really nice forks.
https://www.tange-design.com/
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
I have a Tange catalog from the early 80s on line that may answer some of your questions:

https://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/tange-catalog.pdf
Doh! I went to save it and already had it, have never really looked at it. Thanks again for posting that.

I s/w the Tange rep at NAHBS. They're coming back with chromed Prestige tubing, and hope to dent the US market this year. Currently based in SF. He gave me a Prestige tie tack.
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A generous C&Ver gave me an extra 531 T-shirt he had. But working on my bike yesterday it occurred to me that the 'Champion #1' sticker is also pretty cool. Not quite the same as the Gill Sans Reynolds graphics, but in its own way. I will have to investigate this, it might be fun. It'd be a nice companion piece to the 531 shirt.

And it would be even more obscure.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
I have a Tange catalog from the early 80s on line that may answer some of your questions:

https://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/tange-catalog.pdf
wow, thanks! what a great resource.
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^+1, that's very comprehensive...many thanks for sharing!
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+1 great catalog
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