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Old 09-27-10, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by illwafer
arrange to buy the bike. then kill him.

also: ctrl-alt-prtscn
Hrm, interesting bargaining strategy
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Originally Posted by TimeTravel_0
vintage touring bikes that are in decent condition and were of a reputable name/quality (i.e. miyata 1000) go for big money in major cycling/commuting cities. that bike in portland, chicago, san francisco, nyc would easily catch $700-1100, at least thats what I saw while I stalked Miyata 1000s for over a year trying to get a good deal. High demand, I suppose.

ebay and craigslist arent exactly the same.
Well, there is a decent 1987 version on Seattle's C/L right now for $500 OBO. Seattle is usually a pretty hot market. It is missing some of the nicer OEM bits, but it also has the nice Splined frame.

Seller has posted it three times already, starting at $550. So someone could probably get this for less.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
I never ever offer more than the asking price because I have been "out bid" by guys who practice this tactic.
I REALLY find it very annoying to arrive after an hour's drive to be told "I sold it to a guy who offered more"
I'm a fan of this tactic...it has gotten me a few bikes. I see nothing wrong with it. Someone lists a bike I want for less than it is worth...I know they will get bombarded with emails so I offer more and say things like "I can come right now with $150 cash".

I don't feel a bit bad about it either because I have had bikes bought out from under me numerous times. I don't ever think "oh well, somebody else saw it first...I guess I'll let them have it".
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
I never ever offer more than the asking price because I have been "out bid" by guys who practice this tactic.
I REALLY find it very annoying to arrive after an hour's drive to be told "I sold it to a guy who offered more"
If you've already set up a deal with someone and then they sell the bike to someone else, that's a sign of the seller being a s***ty excuse for a human, not any fault of some other buyer. Nothing wrong with sending an email offering more. Also, you should literally punch the seller. Just punch them in the face and walk away. ...I'm really tired of s***ty people. It's not difficult to act like a decent person.
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I saw that last night when it was $150, sent it to a buddy and in the meantime it went to $700. I flagged it.

Let him go to eBay. I really doubt anyone will buy it at a price anywhere near $700.
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz
Mmmmmm, well, I guess it depends on the bike but if it was a grail bike, then I would do as nikkorod says...I haven't done it myself but I can see the rationale behind it......
Hi Jet - Yeah, I know this tactic works (having been on the short end) but I'm saying I wouldn't engage in it even if it was my grail bike.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
I never ever offer more than the asking price because I have been "out bid" by guys who practice this tactic.
I REALLY find it very annoying to arrive after an hour's drive to be told "I sold it to a guy who offered more"
That is why you lose out then. Craiglist is Thunderdome. 2 men enter 1 man leaves...with said bike.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
I saw that last night when it was $150, sent it to a buddy and in the meantime it went to $700. I flagged it.

Let him go to eBay. I really doubt anyone will buy it at a price anywhere near $700.
Thanks OFG, but to be clear, I don't blame a guy for jacking up his price - I blame him for deliberately low balling his own price and establishing a time for me to call back - the next day - knowing full well he could gage his price by the number of responses. ("Appraised by CL")

Also it is likely that someone (who understood they weren't getting it anyway), suddenly felt magnanimous enough to give the seller an appraisal - like the episode with Biancjhigirl's X4.

- Will it sell for 700 around here? Right now I doubt it too, but if he waited until spring, I think 600 would be very attainable.
(Do remember what Sheldon said about this bike?)
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Originally Posted by fender1
That is why you lose out then. Craiglist is Thunderdome. 2 men enter 1 man leaves...with said bike.
It's not like I don't know that.
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Old 09-27-10, 06:31 PM
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It seems like there is 2 discussions going on here. 1 being how some naive Craigs sellers suddenly up their asking price when they realize that that old bike in their garage is actually worth a lot more then they ever thought. When I was watching Craigs down in LA a while back, I was so pissed because there was actually some 'good Samaritan' posting evaluations to sellers informing them how much more their bikes were worth. The LA market is pretty dirty so I don't know if that 'good Samaritan' is still around.

2. I sold an 85 Specialized Expedition in so-so condition about 6 months ago for 720 including shipping. Sold an 89 Miyata 1000 in great condition for 650 and probably could have gotten 750 in SF Bay area. I nolonger believe these bikes are worth the market hype. The frame 'is' the bike. Both frames were made by Miyata. If your looking for ride quality, you could find an equal for half the price in other brands IMHO.
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Originally Posted by fender1
That is why you lose out then. Craiglist is Thunderdome. 2 men enter 1 man leaves...with said bike.
While I have not offered extra for a bike, I would consider it for the right bike.

I have several times taken a group of bikes, where I really only wanted one or two of them. Sellers looking to clear out old stuff are sometimes more focused on who will help them get rid of their pile, wanting the "easiest" transaction. A couple times, I took some of the bikes directly to the thrift shop. By" taking the entire pile" I was able to move ahead of other buyers.
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I scored a 600 tri-color brifter group with the dual pivot calipers for $50 using the "well I can come now" tactic. First time playing dirty, it paid off.
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed
I scored a 600 tri-color brifter group with the dual pivot calipers for $50 using the "well I can come now" tactic. First time playing dirty, it paid off.
I wouldn't call that dirty. Sounds perfectly fair. As stated above some people look for the easiest transaction.
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Originally Posted by rothenfield1
It seems like there is 2 discussions going on here. 1 being how some naive Craigs sellers suddenly up their asking price when they realize that that old bike in their garage is actually worth a lot more then they ever thought....

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I don't think we are talking about a "naive" CL seller here - rather one of the breed of very savvy sellers who have sold thousands of items and know how to market test their products.


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2. I sold an 85 Specialized Expedition in so-so condition about 6 months ago for 720 including shipping. Sold an 89 Miyata 1000 in great condition for 650 and probably could have gotten 750 in SF Bay area. I nolonger believe these bikes are worth the market hype. The frame 'is' the bike. Both frames were made by Miyata. If your looking for ride quality, you could find an equal for half the price in other brands IMHO.
I think you are right to say that you can find the equivalent bike for half the price. I did not get to ride the Miyata so perhaps I can't speak with authority, but my Maruishi TA18 has most of the same components except for an Ishiwata 022 frame, and (IMO) better derailleurs . (The price I paid was just embarrassing.)

I would still argue though that the HYPE is the bike - and that's what makes a Miyata 1000 so valuable. Eg;

"The mid-80s Miyata 1000 was possibly the finest off-the-shelf touring bike available" - Sheldon Brown.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow

- Will it sell for 700 around here? Right now I doubt it too, but if he waited until spring, I think 600 would be very attainable.
(Do remember what Sheldon said about this bike?)
$600 is obtainable for a reconditioned bike, not one in 'as found' condition. There were many great touring bikes in the mid 80's. Fuji, Panasonic and Lotus all come to mind as well. Heck, even the Schwinn Voyageur was a great touring bike. Miyata doesn't have a corner on it.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
$600 is obtainable for a reconditioned bike, not one in 'as found' condition. There were many great touring bikes in the mid 80's. Fuji, Panasonic and Lotus all come to mind as well. Heck, even the Schwinn Voyageur was a great touring bike. Miyata doesn't have a corner on it.
It certainly may not. But many people definitely think it does.
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I see this all of the time when someone doesn't list a price and says "make offer" instead. The only time I have been really annoyed by it is when someone had a 1997 Kona Explosif team frame and would not give even the slightest hint of what he wanted for it. I offered $250 and he got offended and wouldn't communicate with me anymore. He was asking for it, IMO. Post a freaking asking price. If you don't, it just shows you are too lazy to figure out the value yourself.

They will be stuck with the bike until they come down to market price. That's what they get for being greedy.
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Originally Posted by nikkorod
I wouldn't call that dirty. Sounds perfectly fair. As stated above some people look for the easiest transaction.
??? Did the seller previously commit to holding the bike until the first caller could arrive?
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
$600 is obtainable for a reconditioned bike, not one in 'as found' condition. There were many great touring bikes in the mid 80's. Fuji, Panasonic and Lotus all come to mind as well. Heck, even the Schwinn Voyageur was a great touring bike. Miyata doesn't have a corner on it.
+1 on both counts. I can't imagine selling a non-reconditioned bike. - And Miyata's are not the only great touring bike -(but you wouldn't necessarily know that from the prices they get.)
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
??? Did the seller previously commit to holding the bike until the first caller could arrive?
Even if he did...that again is a question of the integrity of the seller, but nothing dirty on the buyer end.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
+1 on both counts. I can't imagine selling a non-reconditioned bike. - And Miyata's are not the only great touring bike -(but you wouldn't necessarily know that from the prices they get.)
I thought at $150, there was room, at $700, nothing left on the table, and his pictures weren't good enough to tell condition. That's why I passed it on to someone else.

Maybe I'll hit some Scottsdale garage sales Friday and Saturday, see if I can find something pristine.
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"The mid-80s Miyata 1000 was possibly the finest off-the-shelf touring bike available" - Sheldon Brown.[/QUOTE]

It is because of this one particular quote, made by an esteemed author, that the Miyata 1000 has garnered such high prices.IMHO.

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As a matter of principle, I have yet to offer more than what the seller has listed on Craigslist. If the price changes, I politely tell them that I'm not interested. Craigslist is not ebay and I refuse to waste my time getting into a bidding war. I have been very fortunate in building my collection and flipping others without having to violate the rules. Also, I typically avoid responding to listing that have "OBO."

As a seller, I also abide by my principles. Recently I listed a bike only to discover that I had underestimated its value (I had too many bikes crowding my garage and I just wanted some gone). I had agreed to show someone several bikes that I had listed. Before he came, I made a last minute check on one of the bikes. It was a 1966 Schwinn Varsity with downtube shifters. Although I was tempted to raise the price, I stuck to it. When the individual came, I showed him the bikes that I was offering. I even told him that I had underestimated the value of that bike. Thankfully, he chose two of the other Varsitys I had listed. I promptly removed the more valuable Varsity from Craigslist.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
??? Did the seller previously commit to holding the bike until the first caller could arrive?
Someone was going to meet him in a few hours apparently

I hate to be that guy but it's happened to me too many times.
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