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Old 09-29-10, 08:12 AM
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This basically is the men's Fuji Allegro I have, the bike is virtually in brochure condition (same color too), maybe it's the fact that everything was Sun Tour as opposed to Shimano that keep it from being all it could be worth in others eyes ?:

https://www.classicfuji.com/Allegro&A..._1986_Page.htm

With this seat (sorry for the poor lighting and cell phone pic, just don't have a camera that captures the bike like you'd experience it in person):



vs a Miyata 1000:

https://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe...llTQFront1.jpg

Anyway, a love affair of the Miyata 1000 (I can relate he has his Miyata, I have my Fuji, others have something they fancy)

https://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe...troduction.htm
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Old 09-29-10, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mainstreetexile
This is just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, but if someone was actually offering me 375-450 for that bike, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. Unless I'm missing something with your particular bike, the allegro wasn't a very high end bike with the stem shifters, safety levers, single butted frame and hi-ten fork. I could see that kind of money for an 80s Fuji Touring Series IV+, but I think the Allegro would be somewhere closer to 200 for a mint bike, depending on your market. 500-600 dollars for it or comparing it to a new fuji touring bike is a bit of a stretch.
Actually, your assumptions for the Allegro are erroneous, it's a triple butted frame, the fork is val-lite, the only difference there is the Touring series IV & V was quad butted. They both had Sun Tour drive parts, Sugino cranks (52T double vs 50T triple, both with the same mighty 6 gears on the rear), same rims & tires, so the Allegro actually pulls more GI. I don't see what the downtube shifters buys anyone vs the stem mounted ones ? A couple of screws and the safety levers are gone. If you'd go more for the Touring series, that's your choice, but I think you're selling the Allegro short.

https://www.classicfuji.com/0_Models_and_Years.htm
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Originally Posted by fuji86
This basically is the men's Fuji Allegro I have, the bike is virtually in brochure condition (same color too), maybe it's the fact that everything was Sun Tour as opposed to Shimano that keep it from being all it could be worth in others eyes ?:
Suntour components have nothing to do my estimation of value (high or low).

My estimate of market value is not based on some idle opinion. Its based on selling at least 15 vintage Fujis in the last two years, including an Allegro (and I have four more vintage Fujis in hand right now). And selling a lot of other similar vintage Japanese bikes from the 1980s as well.

The market tends to be brutally "honest". While I have keeper bikes to me that are quite valuable, if I wanted to sell them, the market would not agree with me.

As far as comparisons with the Fuji Touring Series IV or V, its not about the frame material. Buyers want vintage touring bikes, with all of the braze ons for racks and fenders, cantilever brakes, long stays, etc. Racing/road bikes do not have the same geometry as a touring bike. Its not about the material of construction, its the total package. Take a vintage Trek racing bike with 531 frame. Then take a similar year Trek touring bike with a 531 frame. The touring bike (assuming condition is comparable) will bring 50% to 100% more (and will often have Suntour components). The Fuji touring bikes I have sold went for 2X what I was able to get for similar year/condition/construction Fuji racing bikes. And the touring bikes sold lightning fast!

Used bikes continue to be a tremendous value out there compared to a similar new bike IMHO. But many buyers want NEW. Look at the various threads in other forums, where newbies are comparing options on bikes to buy. Almost always the discussion is around which new bike is the best "deal". Many times I will wade in and ask "If you want a deal, why not look at used?" That comment usually gets the dead cat bounce.....
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Originally Posted by fuji86
Actually, your assumptions for the Allegro are erroneous, it's a triple butted frame, the fork is val-lite, the only difference there is the Touring series IV & V was quad butted. They both had Sun Tour drive parts, Sugino cranks (52T double vs 50T triple, both with the same mighty 6 gears on the rear), same rims & tires, so the Allegro actually pulls more GI. I don't see what the downtube shifters buys anyone vs the stem mounted ones ? A couple of screws and the safety levers are gone. If you'd go more for the Touring series, that's your choice, but I think you're selling the Allegro short.
I realize that you really love this bike, but you're really stretching the facts to justify your assertion of its value. Val-lite is not chromoly, there's a quality difference that you're ignoring. More gear inches do not mean greater value, but they might appeal to a novice cyclist who's comparing catalog specs. Same with stem shifters and safety levers, they're conveniences for novice riders and they're on the Allegro because it's an entry level bike.

I can also say from experience in our local market that I'd be lucky to get $200 for it in mint condition, but I can often find better bikes for less.

Not that this has anything to do with the original subject of this thread...
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Originally Posted by Chris_in_Miami
I realize that you really love this bike, but you're really stretching the facts to justify your assertion of its value. Val-lite is not chromoly, there's a quality difference that you're ignoring. More gear inches do not mean greater value, but they might appeal to a novice cyclist who's comparing catalog specs. Same with stem shifters and safety levers, they're conveniences for novice riders and they're on the Allegro because it's an entry level bike.

I can also say from experience in our local market that I'd be lucky to get $200 for it in mint condition, but I can often find better bikes for less.

Not that this has anything to do with the original subject of this thread...
+1 Chris. In Philly this bike would never get close to $200.00 evevn if it was NOS. I have posted a Fuji Espree that is in very good condition, needs next to nothing at $175.00 and only got one resonse from someone that was not really interested. I have ridden it and it has that Valite dead feel to it. Not my cup of tea, I'm not much of a Fuji fan either. Over rated IMHO
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Oy vey. Can't we get back to photographing Campagnolo bits?

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Old 09-29-10, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by nikkorod
+1 Chris. In Philly this bike would never get close to $200.00 evevn if it was NOS. I have posted a Fuji Espree that is in very good condition, needs next to nothing at $175.00 and only got one resonse from someone that was not really interested. I have ridden it and it has that Valite dead feel to it. Not my cup of tea, I'm not much of a Fuji fan either. Over rated IMHO
+2 I thought I was being very liberal with my original estimate of $200

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vs a Miyata 1000:
This thread has gotten pretty hilarious and off topic. Fuji Allegro vs Miyata 1000? I guess they are comparable in the same way that a Ford Tempo is comparable to an Audi A6 Quattro Avant station wagon.

wrk101 said it all, so there's not really any more use in comparing an entry level road bike to a high end touring bike. None of us are disputing the fact that you like your bike and it's in nice condition. Ride it and enjoy it!

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Oy vey. Can't we get back to photographing Campagnolo bits?

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Old 09-29-10, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris_in_Miami
I realize that you really love this bike, but you're really stretching the facts to justify your assertion of its value. Val-lite is not chromoly, there's a quality difference that you're ignoring. More gear inches do not mean greater value, but they might appeal to a novice cyclist who's comparing catalog specs. Same with stem shifters and safety levers, they're conveniences for novice riders and they're on the Allegro because it's an entry level bike.

I can also say from experience in our local market that I'd be lucky to get $200 for it in mint condition, but I can often find better bikes for less.

Not that this has anything to do with the original subject of this thread...
Whoa, i'm not stretching anything to justify anything, I posted links to Fuji's documentation. No intent to mislead anyone there. There is so much misinformation all over the internet on Valite, some assert it's some type of hi-ten steel, others chrome vanadium, still others that indicate it's a chromolly. So I contacted Fuji moments ago with their contact us form and asked them directly, when they respond I'll pass that on. I don't know what it is myself ?

My remark on GI, never said it was to assert greater value, todays modern touring and roadbikes have 50T cranks and as low as 11 or 12T rear wheel gears, The 86 I have has a 52T/14T as top gear, I merely posted that in respect to whether the same rider were on a 26.7 lb Fuji Allegro vs the 2011 Touring that is 29 lbs., 3 lbs might make a difference on how fast that rider could achieve all things being equal, speed is why most people get a road bike and another asserted you couldn't compare a 1986 with a 2011. I was clear in indicating that removing the 30T gear on the cassette, the 26T becomes the big gear and replacing the 30T with a 12T or even an 11T gets more GI. The 2011 Touring has a 26-11T Cassette with 9 gears. The Allegro with that mod would have a cassette with 26-12 or 11T and 6 gears, very comparable for the average rider. I'm sure Tour de France riders could tell the difference, but for the most part the rest of us shift as few gears once underway nobody has time to fish for every gear sequentially in road traffic.

Anyway, I agree people want the brand new bikes, just like they want new cars, not older used ones.

Here's Fuji's response, they're no help:

RE: FujiBikes.com USA Contact Us Query
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From:@advancedsports.com>
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Add to ContactsTo:


Hi,

Our company has only owned the Fuji brand since the year 2000 and we do not have any information on models produced by the previous owners of Fuji bikes. You can try the independent website www.classicfuji.com that specializes in older Fuji bikes like yours, but we do not have any info about that bike.

Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance,

Advanced Sports Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Contact Us Query
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:44 PM
To: Info
Subject: FujiBikes.com USA Contact Us Query

Message:
I have a 1986 Fuji Allegro bike that is indicated as triple butted Valite
tubing. I understand from all the speculation in the research that I have
read on Valite that it was a proprietary tubing. If possible, please
explain the Valite tubing, is it some sort of hi-ten steel or is it like
chromolly steel ? I'm also interested in what the butting is about too,
there was single, double, triple and Quad butted Valite ?
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Originally Posted by mainstreetexile
This thread has gotten pretty hilarious and off topic. Fuji Allegro vs Miyata 1000? I guess they are comparable in the same way that a Ford Tempo is comparable to an Audi A6 Quattro Avant station wagon.
wrk101 said it all, so there's not really any more use in comparing an entry level road bike to a high end touring bike. None of us are disputing the fact that you like your bike and it's in nice condition. Ride it and enjoy it!!
Hey, I don't know, but the owner of a Miyata 1000 in this thread was the one that said "it was nothing special", not me. So a flippant remark like comparing a Ford Tempo vs Audi A6 is a bit of a stretch isn't it ? Then I posted a link of a Miyata owner that had a love affair with his and to be honest the frame had rust, wasn't anything special either, looked like a cleaned up rusty old anchor with components that were scraped up indicating it had been dropped and dragged on the road, he acknowledged he got at a garage sale, he can't even recall why he sold it, maybe because he flips bikes ?

https://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe...g_4_Riding.htm

I eventually did sell the Miyata and I cannot, for the life of me remember why. I really did like the bicycle but for some reason I let it go.
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