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Old 09-28-10, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
BF-C&V member Yogurt, who has not posted in some time, and lived in the Baltimore area, had a blue '83 rainbow Paramount. I don't remember the size, but it was a large frame. I'll do a little searching. The odd thing about Yogurt's '83 was it had no serial number any place. My '83 has it stamped in the left rear drop-out, a.k.a. Chicago Cage style '60s & '70s Paramounts.
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Old 09-28-10, 12:38 PM
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Wow...that is bee-you-t-ful...and my size too...and Baltimore isn't that far from Phila....(and I don't have $1,000)...
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Originally Posted by ohjonnybegoode View Post
Wow...that is bee-you-t-ful...and my size too...and Baltimore isn't that far from Phila....(and I don't have $1,000)...
We in the same boat, I work in Baltimore City, and live right outside the city..

I can be there in a flash.. Waiting for a reply to my really low offer...
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I work in Baltimore City,
Do you know Omar or Avon Barksdale?
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Do you know Omar or Avon Barksdale?
Omar that drives a BWI taxi???
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omar little, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYj7q_by_2E
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Old 09-28-10, 06:09 PM
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I would hit it!

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Old 09-29-10, 12:19 PM
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I would hit it!

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I think all us vintage nuts would hit it, at the RIGHT PRICE!!
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Old 09-29-10, 12:32 PM
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to me that looks bigger than 63cm and i ride a 63cm frame. It even looks larger than my 64cm Lotus based on the head tube size.
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Old 09-29-10, 02:30 PM
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Seller tells me that standover is 35". That matches my 1972 PX10 which I've ridden for years. I agree that it does appear to be a larger frame.
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Old 09-29-10, 03:08 PM
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i just sold my identical paramount in better condition for 500.00 had a hard time selling it on craigs list sf bay area. only difference was that mine had suntour superbe. these are not desirable paramounts in my opinion simply because mine wouldnt sell for months. didnt many calls or interest in it. only made that decal set for a couple years but not many people interested in it. i also took it the the mill valley swap meet and didnt get much if any interest in it.
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I think the component difference is why that happened...had you parted it out, I think you'd have had no problem getting $1,000. The SR group on there with the wheels is worth the price of admission. I seriously doubt a whole lot of people are going to pay top dollar for a Paramount with a Superbe group when they know they'll be changing it out.

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I paid a little over $500 for mine. It had a mix of Campagnolo, Suntour, and DiaComp. I find the Rainbow decals to be very appealing. It is my best riding steel bike. And my fastest! 52 mph.
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Old 09-29-10, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
P.S.: I've been unsuccessfully trying to get my hands on this, but the seller's asking price of $700 puts me off:



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6 months ago, I bought a near perfect metallic black version of that frame in California for $300. $700 seems steep. Just the forum newbie speaking...
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Originally Posted by etrogge View Post
6 months ago, I bought a near perfect metallic black version of that frame in California for $300. $700 seems steep. Just the forum newbie speaking...
+1. I've seen a few red 50th Anniversaries bring prices not much different than what's being asked for this run-of-the-mill example. For that matter, wrk101 purchased the exact same machine in 53/54cm, for $400 just recently - and even then, it was agreed that he paid a reasonably fair price for it.

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dont get me wrong, i really like those paramounts, its just that i dont believe they are worth as much as the 70s paramounts
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Originally Posted by joe englert View Post
dont get me wrong, i really like those paramounts, its just that i dont believe they are worth as much as the 70s paramounts
I hear what you're saying, Joe....I think it depends on your perspective. I have an '82 Paramount Elite and a '71 Paramount P-13 (chrome frame). Even though the '82 Paramount is more rare than the'71...the '71 is probably worth more. But....I think the '82 represents a pretty cool time in the Paramount/Waterford timeline...which is why I'm hoping to never sell it....

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Old 09-30-10, 12:13 PM
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I found my 63.5 '88 Paramount earlier this year on craigslist for $600-Near mint, near full DuraAce 7400-

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I've moved a few Paramounts in the past 2 year and here's my take on pricing:

Chrome: Chrome is king. Any older Paramount with chrome will bring more more money. Full chrome>chrome lugs>full paint.

70's vs. 80's: Condition being equal 70's bikes bring more money. In the U.S. during the 70's it was Paramonut and PX10, as the 80's rolled in both fell out of favor for reasons beyond this thread. 80's buyers tend to want Italian.

Prices: I've found that Waterford Paramount framesets sell on regular basis for $250-300 for framesets in very good condition. Thats the reality of it. In the 80's and 90's people are looking for Italians. In my opinion Waterfords build quality is better than almost any Italian bike out including all of the big names that are normaly thrown around. $250-300 for a Waterford frameset is 8/10+ condition is deal considering what some rough Italians sell for.

I mentioned earlier thatyou couldnt built the bike in question for less than $1000 and I still believe it. Keep in mind that just because some of us have bought similar bikes for less it doesnt mean this one is over priced.

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Frame and fork: $250-30 ($250 plus $30 shipping)
SR headset: $75-5
SR BB: $50-5
SR crankset: $75-10
SR brakeset: $125-10
NR seat post: $50-5
SR RD: $60-5
SR FD: $25-5
Shifters: $20-5
Seat: $20-10
Campy SL pedals: $50-5
Bar and stem: $40-10
Rims: $40-15
Hubset: $75-5
Spokes: $75-5
Tires: $60-5
Bar tape: $15-5
Cableset: $30-5
Freewheel and chain: $40-10

If my math is right thats a build cost of $1155 plus $155 for shipping for a total of $1310 plus labor if you cant do the work yourself.

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Old 09-30-10, 01:02 PM
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Don't get me wrong- I think the original posted bike is worth the price-
I thought getting my '88 for $600 was the deal of the century, until I found my '67 on craigslist for $300 (w/ 5 extra sets of rims!)-

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Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
I've moved a few Paramounts in the past 2 year and here's my take on pricing:

Chrome: Chrome is king. Any older Paramount with chrome will bring more more money. Full chrome>chrome lugs>full paint.

70's vs. 80's: Condition being equal 70's bikes bring more money. In the U.S. during the 70's it was Paramonut and PX10, as the 80's rolled in both fell out of favor for reasons beyond this thread. 80's buyers tend to want Italian.

Prices: I've found that Waterford Paramount framesets sell on regular basis for $250-300 for framesets in very good condition. Thats the reality of it. In the 80's and 90's people are looking for Italians. In my opinion Waterfords build quality is better than almost any Italian bike out including all of the big names that are normaly thrown around. $250-300 for a Waterford frameset is 8/10+ condition is deal considering what some rough Italians sell for.

I mentioned earlier thatyou couldnt built the bike in question for less than $1000 and I still believe it. Keep in mind that just because some of us have bought similar bikes for less it doesnt mean this one is over priced.

Feel free to copy/paste my build sheet:

Frame and fork: $250-30 ($250 plus $30 shipping)
SR headset: $75-5
SR BB: $50-5
SR crankset: $75-10
SR brakeset: $125-10
NR seat post: $50-5
SR RD: $60-5
SR FD: $25-5
Shifters: $20-5
Seat: $20-10
Campy SL pedals: $50-5
Bar and stem: $40-10
Rims: $40-15
Hubset: $75-5
Spokes: $75-5
Tires: $60-5
Bar tape: $15-5
Cableset: $30-5

If my math is right thats a build cost of $1115 plus $145 for shipping for a total of $1260 plus labor if you cant do the owrk yourself.
Jim I agree in full with everything you just said...EXCEPT...that I think your parts pricing might even be a tough low. Granted Campy parts have dropped, but I think 40 for stem and bars would be a steal. Other things seem lowish as well.

A Dura Ace Paramount and a Superbe Paramount are bikes most are going to look at as frame sets with some parts hanging on them. We all know it's often better to part out, and these fall under those guide lines.
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Old 09-30-10, 01:15 PM
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Old 09-30-10, 01:26 PM
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Jim I agree in full with everything you just said...EXCEPT...that I think your parts pricing might even be a tough low. Granted Campy parts have dropped, but I think 40 for stem and bars would be a steal. Other things seem lowish as well.
I try to be conservative in pricing as its easier to prove my point that way. I forgot to add a chain and freewheel to my list so there's another $20 for each.....

Bars and stems for $40? No problem there, I have about 10 of each I'm thinking of giving away.....
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I think miamijim's estimates are actually on the high side (but not unreasonable for mint condition parts). +1 on the bars and stem. I can't seem to sell Cinelli 64's and 1R stems for much more than $20 a pop (shipping is where the buyer gets hit). The Nitto bars and stem on this bike are probably closer to $70-$80 before shipping, though.

And yes, while it may cost more than $1000 to build this bike, how many of us have sold a bike for more than we invested after paying a premium for the build, as miamijim outlines? I certainly haven't.
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