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Old 10-04-10, 10:59 AM
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Cool Weather Clothing

Caveat: Please do not turn this into a Lycra kit versus everything else thread. Thanks!

I searched the forum and found some useful information, but not enough specific advice or recommendations, so I'm starting a new thread.

It's actually feeling like autumn around here and as I intend to keep riding as far into winter as I can, I'd like to buy a few articles of clothing to help make me comfortable when it's 50F and a bit windy. I don't wear Lycra. I don't use pads. I don't like flashy colors. I don't like to wear a company's advertisement unless they pay me to do so.

So, with what clothing should I outfit myself?

Also, can you recommend a hat/cap? The cool air in my ears at 20-30mph isn't pleasant. I don't typically ride with a helmet.
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So you don't wear anything with lycra in it,..... you wear no padded shorts etc,.,.,.,..Just keep wearing your Chuck Taylors and Levi's,,,,Golly Beav', Mom's gonna get pissed when you get your right pant leg caught in the chain though. Since you're in Louisville, either a Louisville Cardinals or Cincinnati Reds ball cap'll be swell!

p.s. sometimes technical fabrics work better for a legitimate reason. + Wear a helmet!
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I find that even though I leave the house with gloves, I'm taking them off and am perfectly fine with thin wool socks, jersey (usually short sleeve) and biking shorts because of my own body heat. This is down to around 45 degrees so far.

Without knowing what you wear now and what else you refuse to wear, we can't recommend much.
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Merino wool. Doesn't necessarily have to be cycling-specific. You can find good stuff in thrift stores etc. But pocketed jerseys are the best. Arm warmers are very helpful and perfect for transitional weather. Don't know who makes wool ones but it would be worth finding a pair. A windproof vest of some kind. Not sure what to recommend for the legs; I always wear cycling shorts and knee warmers or tights. For the ears, depending on the weather I either wear a fleece headband or fleece skull cap um, under my helmet.
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So you don't wear anything with lycra in it,..... you wear no padded shorts etc,.,.,.,..

p.s. sometimes technical fabrics work better for a legitimate reason.
I have skin allergies that are aggravated by synthetic fabrics, the more synthetic in something, the more it causes me to break out in a rash. Lycra Jerseys are a painful experience, and I don't even want to think about how I'd react to that kind of thing on my lower half. So for me, I need to choose clothing made with either 100% natural fabrics or at least a very small percentage of Synthetic.

Sometimes what's worked in the past still works. Wool is my fabric of choice, and not just because I am a C&V kinda guy. For me it works the best.

I wear wool jerseys year round... Today was in the 50's, probably my coldest commute since Winter ended and I wore a lightweight Short Sleeve Wool Jersey with a Light Wool sweater over top. Wool fingerless gloves, and Jeans. I don't particularly like riding in Jeans but I'm awaiting a new purchase that I just made over the weekend.

I went and bought some wool pants. Specifically one pair of Wool Knickers which come down to a few inches below the knee, and a pair of Wool Army Field Trousers. Personally I think knickers are a great solution for cold and cool weather cycling. Worn with knee-high socks (i use ski/snowboarding socks) you get enough airflow to keep you from broiling to death and enough warmth to keep you comfortable.
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If you can spring for them, I HIGHLY recomend Chrome Shins knickers. They don't fit very tight, have a good DWR treatment, have a light internal pad (that's invisable from the outside), and last forever. Mine are three years old and still in great shape. I'd pair that with a cheap merino wool sweater one size smaller than you usually wear underneath a normal shirt. Since you're in Louisville, check Value City. I always found good merino sweaters there for cheap.
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Originally Posted by tenzing211 View Post
So you don't wear anything with lycra in it,..... you wear no padded shorts etc,.,.,.,..Just keep wearing your Chuck Taylors and Levi's,,,,Golly Beav', Mom's gonna get pissed when you get your right pant leg caught in the chain though. Since you're in Louisville, either a Louisville Cardinals or Cincinnati Reds ball cap'll be swell!

p.s. sometimes technical fabrics work better for a legitimate reason. + Wear a helmet!
Yes, there's Lycra in my socks and underwear. And, frankly, I do often wear Chucks and jeans on short rides. I agree that some of the modern man-made fabrics are great for some people. Dude, I hate the Reds almost as much as I hate the Cubs; baseball caps don't cover your ears.

I like the idea of wool and I'll probably buy a long-sleeved wool shirt or two. I'm most concerned about what options there are for my lower half. I mentioned that I don't often wear a helmet as it would play a role in a hat recommendation. No need for helmet pros/cons here.

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If you can spring for them, I HIGHLY recomend Chrome Shins knickers. They don't fit very tight, have a good DWR treatment, have a light internal pad (that's invisable from the outside), and last forever. Mine are three years old and still in great shape. I'd pair that with a cheap merino wool sweater one size smaller than you usually wear underneath a normal shirt. Since you're in Louisville, check Value City. I always found good merino sweaters there for cheap.
Thanks! The bike couriers I see in the elevator wear those knickers. They must like them. I'll look into that option. Perhaps I'll ride to VC, today. Good eye!

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I went and bought some wool pants. Specifically one pair of Wool Knickers which come down to a few inches below the knee, and a pair of Wool Army Field Trousers. Personally I think knickers are a great solution for cold and cool weather cycling.
I almost bought some wool army surplus knickers on eBay last fall. I showed them to my wife and she wrinkled her nose. I suppose just one more reason for her to snicker at me won't be the end of the world. Where did you buy yours, Zaphod? And the wool pants you mentioned?

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Also on wool sweaters....They aren't cheap but if you can afford a Pendleton Sweater you won't regret it. Their Shetland Crewneck sweater is Machine Washable so if you wear it a lot and sweat in it, you can just pop it in the washing machine rather than having to deal with Dry Cleaning like most sweaters.

I want to try a pair of the Chrome Knickers. They look great and I think are available with a leather chamois.
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In the winter, I wear a woolen cap under my Giro, (which I line with a plastic bag), along with a woolen scarf stuffed into a fleece lined jacket and one (or two) sweaters, and two pairs of gloves.
I duct-tape my pant cuffs to help retain warmth and to keep them clear of the chain.
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I wear wool shirts like Rivendell sells - the Aussie Merino Skins are the ones I like best. One of the big catalog retailers sells them too - but darned if I can remember which one. Not L.L. Bean but somebody like that, I think.

Then I wear a wool sweater or two from the thrift stores.

For my head I have a generic fleece headband for cool weather. For real cold weather I wear a Mountain Hardware fleece hat like the link below. It's nice because the headband part is WindStopper to keep my ears and forehead from freezing and the top is plain fleece so my sweat has somewhere to go. Down in the single digits I have a very lightweight balaclava to go under it.

https://www.mountainhardwear.com/Dome...efault,pd.html

I got a cheapie pair of glasses from Performance that have clear lenses for sub-freezing darkness riding. Sunglasses after dawn.

Over the top of the sweaters I put a jacket on as linked below when in the 20's and below. It's wool and has nylon windbreaking stuff on the front to keep out the wind but completely open on the back so I don't sweat to death. Mine's over 30 years old (hand-me-down from my dad) and Italian but pretty well just like the one in the link.

https://www.kucharikclothing.com/ulti...6b685dd08734a1

For my lower half I wear some lighweight nylon pants from REI with a $10 pair of nylon sweats from Kohl's over them. When it gets seriously cold I put lightweight long underwear on first.

In the fall for riding to work with temps in the 30's in the morning, 60's and '70's in the afternoon (typical Colorado fall weather between 80 deg days and blizzards) I wear some long cycling tights under shorts Ditch them when I get to work when riding there.

For my feet I wear my standard cleat MTB/casual shoes with a pair or two of wool socks and some neoprene toe warmers over the top. I do just fine down into single digits that way.

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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
I almost bought some wool army surplus knickers on eBay last fall. I showed them to my wife and she wrinkled her nose. I suppose just one more reason for her to snicker at me won't be the end of the world. Where did you buy yours, Zaphod? And the wool pants you mentioned?
I probably bought the ones you looked at last fall. Its an army surplus seller on ebay.
I picked up these https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT
and these https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT
from the same seller. No doubt I'll look a little funny riding in knickers but I'm funny looking to begin with


That Kucharik Jacket looks awesome.
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I probably bought the ones you looked at last fall. Its an army surplus seller on ebay.
I picked up these https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT
and these https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT
from the same seller.
Yep, same ones! I'll pull the trigger this time. They're certainly inexpensive enough to try. Thanks for the links (that's even my size).

Edit: on second thought, it looks like that's a 32" waist max.

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Yeah I looked at em last fall too and didn't do it. I figure if it keeps me on the road its worth 12 bux
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I've been experimenting with layers. As long is it remains breatheable everything is good down to about 25, at that point it just becomes miserable, for me anyway. My layers have consisted of cotton tee shirts, long and short sleeve, thin wool sweaters. I switch from shorts to long pants around the 50 mark. So far my favorite winter pants are a pair of no-name baggy nylon warm up paints that have a thin flannel lining. ( tuck the right leg into my sock) I did splurge and buy a Nike base layer long sleeve shirt on clearance in August, I'll see how that works when it gets a bit cooler. For my head, I have a wool knit cap that covers my ears, works fine and completes the "homless guy look".
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For vintage rides in cold weather, I wear some wool knickers I bought at an army-navy online shop:

https://www.armynavydeals.com/asp/pro...kers%20Vintage

I think those are the ones I bought though the price was a bit less. In the winter, I'll wear those with knee-length wool socks.

For much of my colder weather riding (temps in the 20s-40s), I do a combination of things. For coldest days I use cross-country ski pants w/ wool or silk long johns underneath. For somewhat warmer, I'll wear wool tights under MTB cycling shorts.

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Wow, I thought it was just me. My ears hurt when its like 55 or below! I thought maybe its the cold or cool air I am breathing. The pain is in the eustachian tube. Anybody else get this? I have never noticed it doing anything other than riding.

That made me think of the NYC Helmet mentioned in David Byrne's book. It had ear flaps you can take off. I thought it looked very practical. What happened to that, I can't find one for sale.

Nashville got to 33 last night. Purty chilly.

Merino wool!
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Wow, I thought it was just me. My ears hurt when its like 55 or below! I thought maybe its the cold or cool air I am breathing. The pain is in the eustachian tube. Anybody else get this? I have never noticed it doing anything other than riding.
Exactly. It's a bit more than uncomfortable. You can just hear your mom saying, "Cover your ears. You're going to catch pneumonia!".

My LBS sells Bern helmets that have a removable hat type thing inside that has ear flaps.
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It really depends on how far you ride, how fast, in what kind of weather. I commute year round, and go for recreational rides all winter long, though with the shorter days my weekend rides get shorter... but still, a 50-60 mile ride isn't uncommon even in January.

I work pretty hard when I'm on the bike, with the result that I only get cold when I stop. I will often ride in jeans or chinos with a wool jersey, possibly with a windbreaker. Wool tights are nice but they wear out too fast

The trick is keeping your hands and feet warm. For the hands, 'lobster' gloves, or Wool mittens, perhaps inside a nylon outer glove, are pretty good if it's really cold. In moderate cold, fleece gloves are good enough. Whenever I see cheap fleece gloves --sometimes as cheap as a dollar for a pair-- I stock up. For the feet, shoes mustn't be too tight, because circulation is key. Wool socks are good; and the shoes have to be reasonably windproof. If it starts to rain, take off your shoes, put your socked feet in plastic bags, and put the shoes back on. Do not let your socks get soaking wet, lest your feet freeze.

On my head, I have a thin skullcap under my helmet, and a windproof/waterproof cover over my helmet. Both are important. It doesn't really matter how long my hair is (I let it vary over the course of the year).
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I got some of these when I lived in Denmark: https://www.earbags.com They're great! My right ear is especially sensitive to cold and the extra wind from riding exacerbates it. During the winter, I wear these under a knit hat.

They basically snap onto your ear, kind of like a snap bracelet. If you wear them for a few hours, your ears might get sore, though.
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I have an not used any more pair of Italian Wool blend tights,
made to wear over stuff, like your other bike shorts,
no chamois , but a double seat.
will need fresh elastic in the waist. sell as I dont wear that kind of kit anymore .
Im a trousers and ankle strap or rain pants guy by now..
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My favorite gloves are a pair of Sears kevlar work gloves with leather palms, toasty warm, thin and something like $9.99 on sale.
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Anything Smartwool works great.
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I bought a wool hoodie from io/bio merino a year ago and love it. kept me warm all winter and stays comfortable well into warmer months.

don't really need it now.
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Oh yeah, hats. I have a couple of wool caps with earflaps, and wear one under my helmet: one is from Waltz and the other from Ibex.

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I used to own a Bern helmet for snowboarding and I really didn't like it. The fit was just very odd and it didn't feel snug on my head. I ended up going with a similar helmet made by R.E.D. Its also got removeable earflaps just like the Bern only it fits better. Its made for snowboarding/skiing but works great for riding in the cold.

https://www.burton.com/mens-helmets-p...ection-helmets
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