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Old 10-08-10, 06:25 PM
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Bare Steel! (Raleigh Carlton)

Abandon all hope (of ever turning a profit on this gaspipe).
I probably didn't have to do this but now that I have, here it is. Any advise on how to get paint to stick to a chrome headtube?










The spider crazing in the paint still shows up as little rust lines under the seatstays.
This bike looks a lot like the one in the ad but mine's a 10 speed. Maybe they came both ways?
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Thanks to Kurt for straightening out the top and down tubes!
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As long as it's scuffed with fine sandpaper the paint will stick. Prime first, though.
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She looks good - zero trace of the repair too.

As for the chrome headtube, I'd simply go to town with sandpaper to create a good surface for paint adhesion. Mask the lugs with the same liquid stuff that Waterford used on the 60th Anniversary Paramounts.

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P.S.: I know a local fellow who'd probably be interested in it, if you're flipping.
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Here's an idea that'll raise brows. Clear powdercoat now. Warts and all. Or maybe a little more sanding first. Decals on the clear powdercoat would look cool.
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Here's an idea that'll raise brows. Clear powdercoat now.
+1 Clear coat.
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Woww. I want to do that.
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I've heard that clear over bare steel will not prevent rust from forming, but it seems like a bunch of folks have done it. Clear powder coat is another option.

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I've heard that clear over bare steel will not prevent rust from forming, but it seems like a bunch of folks have done it.
Correct. Fixie forums are a great place to find examples of this.

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So opaque powder coat is a brilliant rust preventative but clear just doesn't work. Huh? ...so the rust germs identify their victims using their acute visual skills, but they aren't very smart, so they say "there's a bike! Food! Oh, wait. It's red. Must be made of cherry jolly ranchers. Dang! No iron here. Better look elsewhere."
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So opaque powder coat is a brilliant rust preventative but clear just doesn't work. Huh? ...so the rust germs identify their victims using their acute visual skills, but they aren't very smart, so they say "there's a bike! Food! Oh, wait. It's red. Must be made of cherry jolly ranchers. Dang! No iron here. Better look elsewhere."
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Fwiw, I was drawing a distinction between clear coat (whatever that stuff is made out of that you spray over paint) and clear powdercoat. Truthfully, I've read of rust problems with both treatments over bare steel.

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Sorry Neal I hope that didn't sound nasty. Whole pot of coffee this morning. Made me a little mean.
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While the clear idea sounds like fun, this bike needs to be red. It was born red, it's been painted red several times and it will always be red. It's got a red soul no matter what sort of superficial layer of distraction you try to obscure it with.
On the other hand, there's a rusty Continental in the basement that I didn't think had any soul to begin with. Maybe it has a clear soul.
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scuff the chrome but also use an etching primer. I don't know what the deal is with clear-coats "promoting" rust, but the main diff is that you can SEE it under clear. Rust spiderwebs may still be present under red (or what-have-you) but it's hidden...at least until it gets bad enough to notice. I think that PC provides a much harder-to-penetrate film barrier than paint (it is a lot thicker and it's a plastic resin), but with either film you need to avoid sealing moisture underneath the stuff...moisture and salty fingerprints.
On another topic: look at those lumps that are the "tacks" holding the BB shell and lugs in place...they sure don't seem to be lumps of brass, seems like Raleigh "craftsmen" actually tack-welded those and then brazed the joints.

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Sorry Neal I hope that didn't sound nasty. Whole pot of coffee this morning. Made me a little mean.
No offense taken. And I can use one of them pot of coffees right about now as I'm about to head out for a 4-hour drive. I'd prefer a 4-hour bike ride.

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On another topic: look at those lumps that are the "tacks" holding the BB shell and lugs in place...they sure don't seem to be lumps of brass, seems like Raleigh "craftsmen" actually tack-welded those and then brazed the joints.
I was noticing that, too, one on each lug. "Get that frame off the jig!"

I've seen epoxy coatings wreek all kinds of havoc on wooden boats. People think the boat is sealed once and for all and in a year every joint has a water filled blister growing around it. A bike frame is a more homogenous unit but i can imagine stuff getting under there and festering unseen.
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I wouldn't worry about surface rust with clear powdercoat. I don't look to hack-job fixed gear bikes as credible examples of much of anything (good or bad). I doubt the examples with rust Kurt is referring to were treated properly beforehand. And with powdercoat, the object goes into a 400 degree oven. Water evaporates faster and faster as more heat is applied. I've seen several examples of clear powdercoat with no rust whatsoever. Will they develop rust in 10 years. Maybe. Is the moisture barrier of clear powdercoat and colored powdercoat really that different? I'm not saying it's 100% fool proof, but I am saying that it doesn't really have to be. It's just a bike frame.

FWIW, I'm not saying anyone should clear powdercoat a frame unless that's the look they're going for.

Also, I think this bike would look good with any number of colors. It's a cool bike.
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