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tatfiend 10-25-10 12:56 PM

Guns & Bikes
 
I know BSA started as a gun maker who then also moved into bicycle and motor cycle manufacture. After all BSA stands for Birmingham Small Arms. The same is I believe true for Steyr of the Steyr, Daimler, Puch company of Austria. Also true for Iver Johnson in the USA IIRC. What other bicycle manufacturers started as arms makers or combined the two businesses?

bigbossman 10-25-10 01:00 PM

Enfield

PDXaero 10-25-10 01:15 PM

mossberg, miyata

RFC 10-25-10 01:15 PM

Related, Look started out as a ski and binding manufacturer -- thus the evolution to clipless pedals and carbon bikes.

WNG 10-25-10 02:28 PM

Isn't Thompson also a US-based military arms contractor?

Old Fat Guy 10-25-10 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by RFC (Post 11676725)
Related, Look started out as a ski and binding manufacturer -- thus the evolution to clipless pedals and carbon bikes.

Yeah, and Shimano makes fishing stuff. How the heck is that related to guns?

Old Fat Guy 10-25-10 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by WNG (Post 11677242)
Isn't Thompson also a US-based military arms contractor?

Thompson does not equal Thomson.

balindamood 10-25-10 02:36 PM

Guns are to bikes like pickles are to masonry.

bigbossman 10-25-10 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 11677268)
Yeah, and Shimano makes fishing stuff. How the heck is that related to guns?

The Swiss and Finns had some bad-ass ski troops in WWII. Probably still do. Maybe they use/used Look gear?

aixaix 10-25-10 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 11677268)
Yeah, and Shimano makes fishing stuff. How the heck is that related to guns?

Shimano started with bike parts. After they became a major bicycle component manufacturer they realized that making fishing reels involved the same design parameters (size, forces involved, e.g.), degree of precision, materials & tooling as bike parts. Not to mention profit potential in a market built on limitless variation & funded by discretionary income.

The connection to guns is this: when manufacturers that make one thing enter another market, the reasons for choosing the new product says a lot about how that company sees itself. Also, the way its original products & processes influence the new ones can be instructive.

The effect of making guns on making bicycles would be fun to explore.

ayceejay 10-25-10 03:20 PM

Bsa
 
Surely BSA stands for Bl**dy Sore Arse, innit?

grepdot 10-25-10 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by bigbossman (Post 11677316)
The Swiss and Finns had some bad-ass ski troops in WWII. Probably still do. Maybe they use/used Look gear?

The Finns at least, had bicycle troops as well. Probably bad-ass:

http://www.kevos4.com/Wartime%20Photos%207.htm

I'm still looking for masons equipped with pickles.

bigbossman 10-25-10 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by grepdot (Post 11677656)
The Finns at least, had bicycle troops as well. Probably bad-ass....

The Finns were pretty bad-ass all the way around, as the Russians found out in The Winter War.

Bionicycle 10-25-10 04:45 PM

If memory serves me correct Remington Firearms Company manufactured bicycles. Of course they also made Typewriters, and Sewing Machines, and Washing Machines as well.

sailorbenjamin 10-25-10 04:51 PM

Don't forget Vespa!
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l..._resized-1.jpg

Old Fat Guy 10-25-10 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by aixaix (Post 11677581)
Shimano started with bike parts. After they became a major bicycle component manufacturer they realized that making fishing reels involved the same design parameters (size, forces involved, e.g.), degree of precision, materials & tooling as bike parts. Not to mention profit potential in a market built on limitless variation & funded by discretionary income.

The connection to guns is this: when manufacturers that make one thing enter another market, the reasons for choosing the new product says a lot about how that company sees itself. Also, the way its original products & processes influence the new ones can be instructive.

The effect of making guns on making bicycles would be fun to explore.

Still don't see a Look, or Shimano for that matter, connection to firearms.

Andrew F 10-25-10 04:59 PM

Sterling made pistols and bikes in the 1800's

John Deere made bicycle is the 1890's then again in the 70's. Tractors, guns; same difference.

x136 10-25-10 05:00 PM

As I learned in this thread this morning, Orbea.

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20espag...irearms-11.jpg

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20espag...irearms-04.jpg

(More.)

RFC 10-25-10 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 11677268)
Yeah, and Shimano makes fishing stuff. How the heck is that related to guns?

Sorry John, it's a difficult concept -- manufacturer of one type of product taking that expertise to the manufacture of bikes.

Old Fat Guy 10-25-10 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by RFC (Post 11678197)
Sorry John, it's a difficult concept -- manufacturer of one type of product taking that expertise to the manufacture of bikes.

Not the topic of the thread, Bob. Conceptually, I get it. Do you?

Reynolds 10-25-10 05:24 PM

S & W, but I doubt they actually make them.

SJX426 10-25-10 05:25 PM

I am having a hard time relating end mills, screw machines, punches, sheet metal equipment and drawing machines to building bicycle frames. Even the bolt on components are a little removed from gun manufacturing. The whole production process is different too. barrels are round and some, less than in the past, frame components are round but that is where the similarity ends.

RFC 10-25-10 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 11678248)
Not the topic of the thread, Bob. Conceptually, I get it. Do you?

No one but you seems to be complaining. Open your mind.

grepdot 10-25-10 05:34 PM

Ceska Zbrojovka made, before wwii and perhaps still, bicycles at the Straconice plant.

Also, FN Herstal for several decades beginning in the late '90s, including a shaft-driven design...

http://bsamuseum.wordpress.com/c1905...tal-chainless/

WNG 10-25-10 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 11677284)
Thompson does not equal Thomson.

Oops, meant Thomson. I've seen some missile and plane components they've made.


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