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Old 10-28-10, 02:57 PM
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Suntour Cyclone versus Suntour V-GT Luxe?

I seek a long-cage derailler that'll work with a 14-34 "megarange" freewheel, and I'm considering two vintage models: the Suntour Cyclone circa 1977 or the Suntour V-GT Luxe of approximately the same era. Assuming that each derailleur is in good condition, which will work better and be more reliable? Many thanks for your help.
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I use both, they're both quiet and efficient. The Cyclone is prettier and 67 grams lighter.

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They'll work about the same but the Cyclone will be a bit lighter weight.

They're both very reliable....V-GT luxe might have a slight edge, but its probably just luck of the draw.
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What Scott said. Get 'em both and build another bike!

And just to clarify, you want the Cyclone GT and not the the "just" Cyclone.
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The VGT does not have any edge over the Cyclone. The Cyclone was the top of the line for Suntour until the released Superbe then Cyclone was their second best. The VGT derailleur was 8th in line from the top followed by VxGT, VxS, Vx, Cyclone GT, Cyclone, then Superbe. Then when Sprint came along it was put between the Superbe and Cyclone, which would had pushed VxGT to 9th but they did away with Vx and VxS and by 89 V line was completely dead except it was replaced with the Blue Line that didn't do well due to it's weight at about 214grms.

In short get the Cyclone it was built better and the finish was better. Get the Vx if you have another bike of lessor quality to put it on.
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The V-GT Luxe does have an edge. It's cheaper on eBay.


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The V-GT Luxe does have an edge. It's cheaper on eBay.


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+1!! That was my first thought. You can get a V-GT luxe for around 15 dollars where a Cyclone GT can get around 50 dollars on ebay. I have and used both, the cyclone is prettier and a little lighter... it's not really that big of a difference. Both work very well.

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Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
The VGT derailleur was 8th in line from the top followed by VxGT, VxS, Vx, Cyclone GT, Cyclone, then Superbe
I don't think you can say it was 8th in line and put the short cage versions above the long cage versions... I think the V / VX / BL / ARX families are all pretty much on par with each other, they just held the same place in the hierarchy over different years.

I think it's more like (depending on the year), left to right, best to lowest:

Superbe > Cyclone > V/VX > Honor/Seven etc

I have VxGT stuff on a couple bikes and it's inexpensive, reliable, all around good stuff. I like the VX stuff way more than shimano's early lower end stuff. The Cyclone stuff is a step above though and it's some great kit.

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I don't think you can say it was 8th in line and put the short cage versions above the long cage versions...
correct. The "GT" designation simply implies the cage size, which are interchangeable anyway. I made a black bodied 1st gen Cyclone into a Cyclone GT earlier this year.

to be perfectly honest I can't tell the difference between the feel of a short cage vs a long cage so I just go with Long (GT) cages for all my stuff...short cages just seem like a big limiting factor to me...I guess I don't understand it, is it a weight savings thing? Less cage, less chain...less weight? are weight weenies really counting links?!?
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I have put 1000's of miles on both. They function the same, last just as well as each other, the Cyclone is 67 grams lighter (from above). If that matters, then you need a carbon fiber bike and 112-spoke wheels. The VGT has no e-bay cred, but I have two custom frames from the mid 70's with at least 20,000 miles on each, and the original VGT derailuers still work great.

IMHO, the VGT is probably the best derailuer ever made. Works great (even when indexed), bullet proof, and Suntour made so many of them we are still paying $10 apiece for them 25 years after they stopped production.
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I haven't found a long cage derailer that shifts better than my VGT Luxe. I have an Ultegra GS that shifts just as well, but no better.
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Originally Posted by mainstreetexile View Post
I don't think you can say it was 8th in line and put the short cage versions above the long cage versions... I think the V / VX / BL / ARX families are all pretty much on par with each other, they just held the same place in the hierarchy over different years.

I think it's more like (depending on the year), left to right, best to lowest:

Superbe > Cyclone > V/VX > Honor/Seven etc

I have VxGT stuff on a couple bikes and it's inexpensive, reliable, all around good stuff. I like the VX stuff way more than shimano's early lower end stuff. The Cyclone stuff is a step above though and it's some great kit.

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Well that site is wrong!!! Sorry! I have a book on Suntour and looked up to recall my memory on the various components. You see, I have a bike from 84 with 100% Superbe, and a bike I had before that had VxGT which I later upgraded to Cyclone. Because of the Suntour I've had I have a chart of the various components and their levels dated for 1980.

Now V series derailleurs where say better then anything that Shimano or even Campy had and they were cheaper then either!

But if you read the level I listed it's close to what your saying; the v series was their middle of the line stuff, and pretty good stuff. But I can tell from having both the Superbe and the VxGT series that the Superbe was faster in the shift department and they lasted longer; now there wasn't much difference in shifting performance that I could detect from Cyclone to Superbe, Superbe was just a tad lighter and had a nicer finish to it. The V series consisted of 4 different sub models, the Vx was the top of the V's and was the mid line racing component kind of like 105 is for Shimano. The rest of the V series were intended for touring and handled larger gear spread. The ARX below the V series and was considered low end. I'm not knocking the V series, Consumer Reports in 1979 or 80 did one of their famous tests of a bunch of bikes with a wide assortment of derailleurs from various manufactures, and the V series beat all of them including the top line stuff from anyone else. Actually my chart I stopped at the V series, there was another line called the Seven that had 2 models that was below that yet, then came Honor a piece of steel for a derailleur.

I lived and raced in the hay day of Suntour, I remember them because I rode on some of them, and the chart I have is exactly the order by cost which reflected the quality, of what the line consisted of in 1980.

I did find a similar chart to mine here, so go here for what I'm mentioning: https://www.yellowjersey.org/stour80a.html
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now there wasn't much difference in shifting performance that I could detect from Cyclone to Superbe, Superbe was just a tad lighter and had a nicer finish to it.
I did find a similar chart to mine here, so go here for what I'm mentioning: https://www.yellowjersey.org/stour80a.html
Actually, the first generation cyclone was lighter than the superbe.
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The first generation Cyclone GT stands up well to the current Shimano XTR in the weight category and is one of the lightest dearailleurs Suntour ever made... think they are 190 - 192 grams.

If you are stuck deciding between a Cyclone and a VGT you can split to difference and get a VXs GT... the long cage works incredibly well and still weighs less than most road derailleurs from the early eighties at something like 230 grams and it is a little tougher than the Cyclone should the unthinkable happen.
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Sometimes you can find lots of them at co-ops too...

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Sometimes you can find lots of them at co-ops too...

To heck with your shiny derailleurs!! Those look great.
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Although the Cyclone is lighter and "prettier", there is one other consideration, the VGT has a knurled adjustable ferrule on the cable. If you were using a Shimano freewheel and an indexed Shimano shifter, you could actually run as "indexed"; utilizing the adjustable ferrule to fine tune the detentes. A Cyclone, lacking this adjuster, would be a tad trickier to set up with indexing, unless you drilled and tapped it to take an M5 adjustable ferrule. But if it is a friction system, go with the Cyclone all the way!
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Hi Everybody,

Thanks for your opinions and advice! Sounds as if I can't go wrong with either derailleur, but given my modest budget, I'll likely go for the V-GT. And I'll check my local co-op! Then again, if Khatfull will sell me one of his, that could be perfect.
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And I'll check my local co-op! Then again, if Khatfull will sell me one of his, that could be perfect.
Direct mount or hangar?
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Originally Posted by ElliotSF View Post
Hi Everybody,

Thanks for your opinions and advice! Sounds as if I can't go wrong with either derailleur, but given my modest budget, I'll likely go for the V-GT. And I'll check my local co-op! Then again, if Khatfull will sell me one of his, that could be perfect.
There is nothing wrong with the V series derailleurs, their great derailleurs, and like I said earlier they were better then any other companies top derailleurs that were on the market at the time.

By the way, the lightest rear derailleur ever made was the Huret Jubilee 145grms, way lighter then todays carbon race jobs. Though they didn't work as good as the Suntours, but they were nice looking as well..
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Hi Khatful: I think direct mount. I'll double-check and get back to you. (I would send you a PM but I can't because I'm a junior member with not enough posts yet.) Thanks.
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The VGT does not have any edge over the Cyclone. The Cyclone was the top of the line for Suntour until the released Superbe then Cyclone was their second best.

In short get the Cyclone it was built better and the finish was better. Get the Vx if you have another bike of lessor quality to put it on.
For what it is worth, my 1979 Trek 714 came stock with Suntour Vx rear derailleur. So it migrated fairly high up some product lines.

I personally like the cosmetics of the Cyclone better, but +1 I tend to pick up Vx GT derailleurs as they are cheaper and work just as well. My 79 Trek as found had some generic Shimano RD, and a variety of mis-matched components.
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...The ARX below the V series and was considered low end. I'm not knocking the V series, .https://www.yellowjersey.org/stour80a.html
FWIW I had a later ARX 3 pulley rear gear that appeared to be identical to the Cyclone Mk II 6300 model. As we all kinda know, Suntour panicked in the mid-late 80's as their market share plummeted and made some erratic production and marketing decisions. This makes it hard to pinpoint overall quality with model names without referencing each specific year.
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V-GT has one important advantage over Cyclone: The 'quick cage' concept. Used freewheels are almost literally a dime a dozen; if you're of a mind to, it's pretty simple to have a few different wheelsets with different tires and/or freewheel clusters and swap 'em out for the afternoon's route. The interrupted cage makes wheel changes a total snap. I've got to the point where my hands don't even get dirty.

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Both the Cyclone GT's I own have the Quick Cage FWIW
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