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canyoneagle 11-02-10 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 11719048)
That's a great way to look at it! A good knife can be ruined by inept sharpening, and a good bike can be ruined by inept drewing. But if the end product is a success, and the bike gets ridden and enjoyed, there's nothing wrong with that no matter what the original bike was. If it's a total botch job, then yes, I hate that.

+1

jet sanchEz 11-02-10 09:31 AM

Try and guess what this used to be; don't look at the file name, you will cry

http://www.myfixedgear.net/wp-conten...w_HB/reg/1.jpg

Doohickie 11-02-10 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by sdold (Post 11717787)
I don't mind it too much until they start butchering up the frame. If they leave the frame intact, at least it has a chance of being a good bike again someday when the fad's over.

I don't even care if they butcher the frame. It's not my bike. If I want to control what happens to other people's bikes, I'd better be prepared to buy all these bikes to protect them. There are two problems with that though: 1. I don't have that money; and, 2. If I owned all those bikes, it would keep them off the road and no one would be riding them.

Short of that, I have to realize that it's none of my bidness. Looking at it that way keeps my blood pressure down.

Grand Bois 11-02-10 09:43 AM

Exactly.

due ruote 11-02-10 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by jet sanchEz (Post 11719202)
Try and guess what this used to be; don't look at the file name, you will cry

http://www.myfixedgear.net/wp-conten...w_HB/reg/1.jpg

Well, I took your bait. Pretty ironic that someone would take something that's known for flamboyant graphics and paint it battleship gray. But then again, ironic is hip. Does it raise my blood pressure? No, but it does make me roll my eyes a little. That doesn't really distinguish it from the aesthetic choices that lots of people make about all kinds of things, or a lot of music that gets (IMHO) way too much airplay. As far as the whole fixed gear fad goes, it's never the fixed gear part that bothers me.

BluesDaddy 11-02-10 11:41 AM

Do you burn with anger at the person who did this?
http://blog.coker.com/wp-content/ima...wer-tour01.jpg
...or this?
http://www.scottscustomcycles.com/im...obbershop2.jpg
I don't see what the big deal is. The person who owns the bike should be able to do with it as they wish. It does not seem that there is any shortage of vintage bikes out there; there are enough to go around.

Sixty Fiver 11-02-10 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Grand Bois (Post 11718480)
Sixty Fiver was not the first person to decoupage a bike frame.

Nope... but I was inspired by seeing some really nice (and even nicer) work.. unlike many of those bikes sold on fleabay.

People have asked me if I could do this for them but 25 hours of work at my usual rate has deterred them from proceeding any further.

The bike is a '73 Raleigh Gran Sport so besides being pretty, she's pretty light, and is not a garage queen... when I got my Ron Cooper I retired the Gran Sport from geared status and turned her back into a fixed gear and dressed up her shabby paint and almost non-existant graphics.

bradtx 11-02-10 12:14 PM

BD, Two very good examples of modifications that make some collectors pull their hair out! :)

Modifying a bicycle (a car, a motorcycle, or a rifle) is a tradition in itself. It enhances an owner's appreciation and displays individuality, not a bad thing if the bike would otherwise rust in a basement or garbage dump... in hard to find original condition.

Brad

wrote4luck 11-02-10 12:20 PM

I've seen these people butcher some nice bikes over the past 7 years or so. I did score a lot of the "throwaway" parts they didn't want, as I was friends with some of the hipster crowd. I had a nice pantographed Ciocc super record crankset I got for free, then sold on eBay for $175.

tashi 11-02-10 02:37 PM

Well, I love em:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/...edfbe54c_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/...bc9a59dd_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2715/...c5eacd07_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/...15a28b5a_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/...87c2babb_b.jpg



You keep on hatin' if you like, I'll be enjoying my bicycles.


EDIT: Can we just turn this into a "Post your vintage conversion" thread?

prettyshady 11-02-10 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by bradtx (Post 11720225)
Modifying a bicycle (a car, a motorcycle, or a rifle) is a tradition in itself. It enhances an owner's appreciation and displays individuality, not a bad thing if the bike would otherwise rust in a basement or garbage dump... in hard to find original condition.

Brad

I agree with this, but I don't like to make or ride ss/ff conversion. After over 10 years of riding bmx my legs love it when I change gear!

I do love the ways bikes are free to be personalised and I find most bikes are intresting to look at.

theschwinnman 11-02-10 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by tashi (Post 11721165)
EDIT: There's really nothing interesting to say about this topic, can we just turn it into a "Post your vintage conversion" thread?

Sounds good.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...ite/fixie4.jpg

red sox junkie 11-02-10 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by thirdgenbird (Post 11717789)
i like it as long as its done respectably. (ie no cutting off braise ons)

-the frameset is being used (not wasted)
-it is 100% reversible
-it can be done to look classy

at the end if the day its no worse than shimano an italian frame (in my book)

+1

Grand Bois 11-02-10 03:20 PM

Like I said before, I have no desire to ride a fixed gear bike, but I've spent a lot of time looking at the bikes in the Fixed Gear Gallery. They're much more interesting to me than most restorations.

michael k 11-02-10 03:28 PM

Okee dokee

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c.../badges022.jpg

bradtx 11-02-10 03:39 PM

prettyshady, I like the ability to shift and wouldn't convert to a SS/FG, but I enjoy the work of some of those that have. Kind of like a low rider car, I don't want to build one, but can appreciate the engineering and art work.

Brad

noglider 11-02-10 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by banjo_mole (Post 11717963)
The worst joke is the crummy wheels on the nice bike.

I disagree. The worst part is the lack of brakes. Some think that the fixed gear provides enough braking. It doesn't.

canyoneagle 11-02-10 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 11721668)
I disagree. The worst part is the lack of brakes. Some think that the fixed gear provides enough braking. It doesn't.

+1
The only exception I see is pure track racing. Fixed gears that are ridden on the street should at least have a front brake, IMO.

canyoneagle 11-02-10 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by michael k (Post 11721491)

Nice bike. I think a nice set of fenders would finish it nicely.

noglider 11-02-10 04:31 PM

I agree. A front brake on a fixie is adequate. The fixed gear is about as good as a back brake.

funkflex 11-02-10 04:39 PM

It doesn't bother me much. Some things do make me scratch my head, but if it's your bike, do with it as you please. I personally don't like running around trying to be captain save a bike. That's the main part of owning something, it allows you do whatever you want with it.

clasher 11-02-10 04:52 PM

I drewed an mid level motobecane a while back. It has swiss threading and a french fork... my ex had left it in a snowbank for a while. I figured it was a prime candidate for fixed gear. It's not garish or anything, and it might end up being much nicer than its predigree would suggest. Besides, if the fixie trend dies down there will be lots of cheap brooks saddles on the used market eh!

chadwebster 11-02-10 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by cinco (Post 11718013)
While Drewing a frame is nearly inexcusable, it still bugs me to see things like that Bottecchia. I've dedicated many (many!) hours to finding original parts to reassemble original bikes and people who do that sort of thing just make my job harder than it has to be. The only quasi-organized ride in my town draws a number of FG types and the other week some kid showed up on a very nice Lotus made from Columbus tubing that had been converted. I told him that it used to be a very nice bike before somebody took it apart. Things are a bit different for things which have no particular historical value* or are acquired as a bare frame, of course.

I guess I just feel like anything which is going to outlast me can't really be considered to be "mine". Because of that I try as much as possible to preserve those little pieces of history for whomever ends up with them a hundred years from now. If all I wanted was a Bottecchia frame, I'd be set. But if I wanted a Bottecchia that thing wouldn't cut it. How long before no more original Bottecchias exist?

*Yeah, I know.

this is what i was getting at, there are quality fixed gear frames available for far cheaper than this and serve that purpose better. Im 16, and i dont like seeing classic bikes modified lke this because soon enough there will be no more originals left, and while it was not drewed, it is unlikely it will be turned back into a road bike after this, and if it ever does get switched back, it will be a pain to find original parts ect

nlerner 11-02-10 07:01 PM

My hacked, sanded and painted fixed-gear/single-speed conversions from the Velo Cheapo contests:

First contest before:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_GmYBBzTzcVQ/SP...pania_v1_1.jpg

First contest after:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_GmYBBzTzcVQ/SQ...pania_v2_2.jpg

Second contest before:
http://web.mit.edu/nlerner/Public/Bi...eapo2010_1.jpg

Second contest after:
http://web.mit.edu/nlerner/Public/Bi...Entry004_1.jpg

Neal

-holiday76 11-02-10 07:31 PM

if someone drewed a herse or a curly hetchins or a bike Merckx raced that would make my heart sink a bit. 9 times out of 10 though I couldnt care less what people do to their bikes.


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