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My vintage ergos weigh less than Ultegra STIs. Way-cool content with pics included.

Old 12-20-10, 07:36 PM
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My vintage ergos weigh less than Ultegra STIs. Way-cool content with pics included.

Well for fun I whipped out the scale and started weighing this 8s groupset I got and was pleasantly surprised. To start, the ergos weigh a meager 218g each. More than SRAM, but less than brand spankin' new 6700 STIs. About 60g more than 7900 (DA).



They are the "carbon" 8s Record levers, and you can even tell they cut out some of the shift paddle to save weight. Pretty sweet. I had a carbon/aluminum frame with an 8s Record group and Zondas weigh in around 18 lbs. According to my calculations, the steel frame I'm thinking of using will weigh around 2 lbs more (but will have so much more soul!)


Not that you guys care even a little bit about this, but just some of my musings.
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Cool. And those are actually really decent looking STIs. I'm used to seeing the bulkier ones with the large rounded off front section. Should look really good on the bike!

I'm building an old 531 frame that I'm hoping will come in at 20lbs or less. Under 20 would be nice, but I'm being realistic and since I don't plan on putting anything really high end on it, 20 is the realistic goal. Lightweight vintage steel FTW!

As you know, make sure to post lots of pics when the bike is complete!
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The Ti Record levers were always really cool. I love the look. If I had a set, and the money to buy a new index gear, I'd make a 10speed set.
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Originally Posted by DRietz View Post
The Ti Record levers were always really cool. I love the look. If I had a set, and the money to buy a new index gear, I'd make a 10speed set.
been there, done that. (you need ALL the internals though)


testing proof of concept on a family member's bike
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I thought you couldn't go 8->10s?

Just going by this article.

If I can, that's exciting.
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Originally Posted by stien View Post
I thought you couldn't go 8->10s?

Just going by this article.

If I can, that's exciting.
you "can" but it is not straight forward like a 9->10 swap. you need ALL the internals and thumb lever from a 10spd lever AND you have to slightly modify the lever housing and spring. it was a trial and error experiment. fortunately i did not error.

jan ullrich is the only other person i have seen with a pair. he also used the carbon fiber brake blades. this too requires some modification:
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I thought you just needed an index gear and ratchet ring.
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Originally Posted by DRietz View Post
I thought you just needed an index gear and ratchet ring.
nope, not even close. the shaft diameter is different. you need the shaft, spacers, index ring, thumb lever, spring, and some creativity. ordering all of the parts new (plus hoods) cost me $200. add that to the cost of good condition record levers you are looking at a $400 commitment.

going from 9->10 only takes an index ring.
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Thanks for the good info. Looks like I'm staying 8s for now, but good to know I could pimp it out down the road.
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Oh, well, I mean, it could work if you have a spare 10s lever ready for disembodiment.
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Oh, well, I mean, it could work if you have a spare 10s lever ready for disembodiment.
I'm sure I could find a destroyed set. Even if the levers were toast I bet it would be salvageable. Only need the right side too.
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Originally Posted by stien View Post
Thanks for the good info. Looks like I'm staying 8s for now, but good to know I could pimp it out down the road.
no problem

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Oh, well, I mean, it could work if you have a spare 10s lever ready for disembodiment.
to work properly you will also need a 10spd RD, 10spd FD, and a 10spd outer chainring. i tried with the old 8spd gear up front but the thin 10spd chain shifted like garbage compared to "true" 10spd. it is perfect with the correct outer ring and FD.



all i ask is "credit" for the mod if either of you try it
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No, I know all about speed compatibilities with Campy.

I was just saying that you don't need to spend $200 in parts if you have like a random Veloce or super road rashy 10s lever lying around. I happen to have a Chorus missing its brake lever.
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Originally Posted by DRietz View Post
No, I know all about speed compatibilities with Campy.

I was just saying that you don't need to spend $200 in parts if you have like a random Veloce or super road rashy 10s lever lying around. I happen to have a Chorus missing its brake lever.
yeah. i debated buying a orphan off ebay but then decided to just buy new so i knew they would shift, well, like new

i got the mint 8spd titanium levers for free so my total investment was low (for new 10spd record levers)
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are you going to do the swap?
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He would if he had 8s ergos
I'm in the other boat.
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Originally Posted by thirdgenbird View Post
i got the mint 8spd titanium levers for free
I'm going to cry. I've had two carbon Shimergo bikes pinched, dammit. I miss my Ergo bad.

8spd > 10spd = cool mod.
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you two could team up and build up a tandem i guess.
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I'm going to cry. I've had two carbon Shimergo bikes pinched, dammit. I miss my Ergo bad.

8spd > 10spd = cool mod.
if you have a full 8spd group i would keep running it. chains and cassettes are much cheaper and it has a good solid yet "raw" feel that seems to be missing a little with 10spd.
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if you have a full 8spd group i would keep running it. chains and cassettes are much cheaper and it has a good solid yet "raw" feel that seems to be missing a little with 10spd.
Good point there. I will want to upgrade my wheels soon and use this 8s spacer kit I have. Just need to find a nice lightweight wheelset. Might even go tubular.
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Good point there. I will want to upgrade my wheels soon and use this 8s spacer kit I have. Just need to find a nice lightweight wheelset. Might even go tubular.
ive been on the hunt for 10spd silver shamal wheels and have found quite a few very nice 8spd shamals and other wheels dirt cheap on ebay.

you can also run a shimano wheelset and cassette with campagnolo 8spd. all you need is the correct spacers. this really opens up your wheel options.
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ignore the poor description, here is a NOS set of 8spd zonda wheels. this alone makes me regret switching to 10. record 8 + zondas....

http://cgi.ebay.com/90s-CAMPAGNOLO-Z...t_12592wt_1141
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and for the traditionalist:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Campagnolo-Recor...#ht_5216wt_907
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Originally Posted by thirdgenbird View Post
ignore the poor description, here is a NOS set of 8spd zonda wheels. this alone makes me regret switching to 10. record 8 + zondas....

http://cgi.ebay.com/90s-CAMPAGNOLO-Z...t_12592wt_1141
Gorgeous! It was just my birthday, who forgot to get me a gift??
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